Westministenders: Talks Walk Out?

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We are now on the countdown to whether we get a backstop Withdrawal Deal. May is hoping to get the EU to backdown on this saying that we will stay in the customs union until a deal is agreed on NI. That would mean come 29th March, we'd have no transistion period, but we'd still have a hard border in NI because we were out of the single market. And if the EU don't agree to it we are into the chances of accidental Brexit being sky high. The only way out would be revoking a50. May has hinted that if Tory MPs don't give her support we could end up with no brexit at all - whether she means revoking a50 or Beano isn't clear.

So onward to 18th October...

Only 6% would work with other survivors. Compared with 23% who would acquire weapons.

This bodes well.

Whinge all you like about Project Fear and unpatriotic and all that guff but please look at getting some extra shelf stable food in/adding to your freezer. Just a few days' worth. You don't need to tell. You don't need to care what anyone says one way or the other about you.
Please don't be that whiny annoying person at the supermarket complaining that there's empty shelves. Or getting stressed or, worse, into fights about it.

Only 6% would work with other survivors. Compared with 23% who would acquire weapons
Still silence from the regime on how it will support and organise us to survive this. What does that mean?
Nothing from my MP Hazardswan two weeks since I wrote.
LA have told me no brexit plans in place to ensure that schools stay open.

I was born in a country where 80% of the population was not allowed to vote, purely because of the colour of their skin, until the 1990s

Self-determination is important to me. The UK has self-determination within the EU. The UK has democracy within the EU. The UK retains sovereignty within the EU. The UK has a veto over trade deals (which incidentally is what has been slowing/blocking a Free Trade Deal with India, because the UK doesn't want to loosen up on its restrictions on Indian visas).

pretzels Thanks for a very interesting post! I have just watched a programme about King Arthur, of all things, and it made the same points you did about intermarriage and assimilation between Celts and Anglo-Saxons. And as you say, that historically, the people of these islands interacted very closely with the rest of Europe.

The 9% who refuse to divulge their zombie plans are the clever ones

..... except for those, like this govt, who are just hiding the fact they haven't got a bloody plan.

I agree with bellini that everyone should prepare for the Brexipocalypse.
That means emergency stocks, for those who are - or will be on Brexit Day - UK residents

It also means, for Uk expats,

• prepping for best chance of continued residence, healthcare etc
• prepping for losing some UK benefits / facilities, some temporarily some permanently, e.g. refunding of pensioner healthcare, access to UK private pensions, insurance policies, credit cards, swapping from UK driving licences ....

the Anglo Saxons didn't really displace anyone.

as far as I can tell, when people started researching properly, rather than parroting the "facts" they were taught as children, an awful lot of "facts" turned out to be anything but. (and, yes, there is a subtext )

The recent documentary about seeking the truth on King Arthur referenced modern research which shows that as the "homo sapiens wiped out the Neaderthals" myth was indeed just that - myth a load of wank then the "myth" that Britain/England was overrun with Anglo-Saxons who wiped out the poor native Brittunculi is also a pile of tosh. The Angles and Saxons integrated slowly with natives. Leaving a beautiful trail of DNA behind. Except for Cornwall and the West County. At which point, it's probably best to leave the conversation gracefully.

At which point, it's probably best to leave the conversation gracefully.

My 'prep' so far is to get friends to hide me 'French resistance' style.
Going to have to work on the disguise though as no one has berets or strings of onions.

@1tisILeClerc - surely you get bonus points for your username! [rueful finding humour

I have just watched a programme about King Arthur, of all things, and it made the same points you did about intermarriage and assimilation between Celts and Anglo-Saxons. And as you say, that historically, the people of these islands interacted very closely with the rest of Europe.

The Alice Roberts one ? If so, one of the most useful comments (for me) in the programme was that we should forget roads and fields when we look at a map of Europe and instead see seas and rivers.

All of a sudden, the British Isles place in Europe becomes clear. We're not some sleepy little Buttfuck Missouri type backwater. We're on all the main arteries that span the continent. Which was quite handy if you wanted the Tin, Lead, Gold and wool that we were famous for, plus the arable Fenland which kept half the Roman army fed for centuries.

My 'prep' so far is to get friends to hide me 'French resistance' style. Going to have to work on the disguise though as no one has berets or strings of onions.

Remember to leave your knife and fork French style when you've finished a meal ...

Keeping firmly on the theme of fantasy and myth, HMRC are in the news

www.theregister.co.uk/2018/10/05/hmrc_pac_letter_customs/

British MPs have chastised HMRC over further slippage in the tax collector's efforts to replace the UK's customs IT systems ahead of Brexit, and its lethargic attitude to preparing traders for a no-deal scenario.

They are also less than impressed that the department had not better prepared for the government's "foreseeable" decision to introduce postponed accounting for import VAT.

(contd)

Bear in mind if there's any problems with taxes and VAT after Brexit, it will be the traders that get the fines. HMRC are never, ever at fault.

Haven't done a DNA test, but someone researched my dad's side of the family (the cause of my silly surname ) back to the 1500s and from that I know I have English, German, Danish, Swedish, Irish, French Huguenot and Dutch ancestry. I have the blond hair, blue eyes and high cheek bones to go with that.

I actually didn't think I had any specific Scottish blood per se, but my aunt (my mum's sister) has started doing some genealogy work and in addition to the English ancestors we knew about, who'd gone to Australia (including supposedly Henry VIII ), there is apparently an Edinburgh connection (Glaswegian dh says "That would explain a lot"

Dh on the other hand is a prime example of a supposedly "pure" Scot who must have a shipwrecked Spaniard somewhere in his ancestry as he has olive skin and black eyes

RNorth's blog today is warning of the potentially horrendous VAT muddle post-Brexit
The system already isn't fit for purpose and now may have to deal with a massive change in less than 6 months

http://www.eureferendum.com/blogview.aspx?blogno=87014

BCC director-general Adam Marshall was saying: "I've never seen a higher level of frustration among businesses", adding that, "a real gap is opening up between business and politics".
And now resolution of that single VAT issue is by no means certain.

But actually, import VAT is only one small part of the overall system relating to the import and export of goods.
For those businesses exporting goods to EU member states, there will be very significant changes which will have a massive effect on whether we achieve "frictionless" trade.

elements that sounds an interesting programme - was it a BBC one? The exciting thing about history at the moment is that developments in science mean we can look at things from the past in whole new ways and find truths that have been lost to the 'narrative' (all history is a set of lies that have been agreed upon - as Napoleon would tell us!). History and science don't seem like to subjects that really go together on a base level - but they have actually been inextricably linked since people started finding dinosaur bones and realised the world was older than they had first imagined. New science is such a huge thing for the understanding of our past - and brexit is going to destroy scientific funding and development in this country (whilst giving us a great festering turd of jingoistic historic narrative) It is such a step backwards!

Maybe 10degrees might like to take you up on your pledge not to prep though.

Except for Cornwall and the West County

One of the really interesting things about the DNA study was that, as you say, Cornwall and Devon were different from the rest of England - no Saxon. But they were a different genetic grouping to each other, as well (2 different types of Celt) and the boundary between the the two ancient groupings was right along the modern day boundary of the two counties. Devon and Cornwall: local places for local people - there's nothing for you there!

I can't talk though - I've posted before about my Aunty's DNA test (sent from East coast America) which came back informing her that every ancestor she had ever had in the whole of human history (and therefore true for my mother, as well) came from a radius that covered Warrington to Chester. We're an exotic bunch, my family

I can’t reach

As I have said many times - preppers are just an odd quaint type of folk. So no, I shan’t be prepping for your project fear nonsense

Yes pretzels it was the Alice Roberts BBC one that DG mentioned. Throughout, I kept thinking, gosh all the interviewed experts sound very Remain-y

elements that sounds an interesting programme - was it a BBC one?

www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b0bkvw8v/king-arthurs-britain-the-truth-unearthed

Available for 14 days, apparently.

Thanks Elements and DGR

Look - a pledger! What's the official wording for the pledge?

Whatever the Brexit outcome, it will be bad news for the DUP

who seem to have ignored govt impact studies that NI will be worse hit than any mainland British region.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/oct/05/brexit-dup-northern-ireland

In its “blood red” commitment to remaining an integrated part of the UK, it has mistaken English nationalism for British patriotism.

Most English leave voters say they would sacrifice the union in order to win Brexit.

Against its better interests, the DUP has embraced those who view Northern Ireland as a disposable appendage, if not a liability, to England’s future prosperity.

Here's why it's worth noting how YouGov (or any other polls) need to be taken with a pinch of salt.

is it just me, or is this question curated towards a certain outcome ? Why is there no "neither" option ? Because "Don't know" is not the same. I damn do know who I don't think would make a good job of it. Which is not the same.

Bigchoc

Always slightly dubious of links to sources like the guardian who, after all, are really just representative of the remain elite in London who would like to halt Brexit at any cost

Except for Cornwall and the West County. At which point, it's probably best to leave the conversation gracefully.

Oh god. I've just done a branch of my family tree from a small town in the West Country. A uncle not direct ancestor.

It's very much in this vein...

leaves conversation

Big Choc, i didn't know the economic stuff, but I'd already worked out how politically damaging any Brexit is going to be for the DUP. There are signs that they have worked it out too. And are panicking.