Westminstenders: Operation Yellowhammer 1q

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Boris Johnson is clearing the decks for a leadership challenge.

I guess that means that the Brexit we get all depends on what George, Michael and Boris decide over lunch and how good Operation Yellowhammer is.

Regarding Gina Miller's end the chaos campaign. Is it a bad omen that only 150 people have liked it on FB or is it still early days ?

endthechaos.co.uk/

No I think that the name is too anxiety inducing for a fb campaign. I'm afraid even though the dramatic name is fully warranted, it's making people run away and avoid... hope I'm wrong.

Multiple campaigns to get another referendum?

To end the chaos?

pours large gin and goes off to google property in EU cities

We're falling again in the Remain = negativity trap.

I don't know because it's not my expertise but a rallying slogan to remain might even bring more results. 'End the chaos' is too accusatory so leavers will again be on the defensive, even those hating it now.

Exactly, 1tisILeClerc.
So if we're all still to suppose to respect the referendum result and democracy etc etc...how long does the mandate last? According to David Allen Green, only until it is discharged, on 29.3.19.
Then we could immediately start preparing to rejoin or form an Association Agreement. (blog from April, but still relevant.)

Why Remainers should think beyond 29 March 2019

Brexit may not happen. The politics may change, which means the UK does not leave the EU as a legal fact on 29 March 2019. But if that outcome is unlikely, then the issue becomes what happens at the end of the transition period.
And that debate will be better if the mandate is regarded as having been performed. Each proposal can be assessed properly.
That is why I think those few Remainers disputing there was ever a true mandate are mistaken, like generals fighting the battles of the last war.
A stronger position for those who want the UK to rejoin the EU, and for those like me who want a close Association Agreement without formal membership, will then not to deny the mandate but to accept it, and then move on.
This is not to say that anyone should “get behind” Brexit. Don’t do that, kids. Only people who believe in Brexit should get behind it.
Instead let the Leavers have their mandate, and then move beyond it.
Unless Brexit is somehow stopped before 29 March 2019 the fundamental question becomes what follows the transition period.
And to accept the mandate is over and done with will place contributors in that debate in a stronger position than those who deny it ever existed.
The key is to properly scope and then discharge the Brexit mandate, rather than to deny it ever existed.

So if we were to plan for that scenario, and had the backing of the EU, some of the structures and processes we use could be kept in place, ready for our partial return?

jackofkent.com/2018/04/what-is-the-scope-of-the-brexit-mandate-and-when-will-it-be-discharged/

With regard to a general strike, maybe that's the only way to make the Govt take notice?

In the General Strike of 1926 didn't the Toffs pitch in to strike break? Will we see Rees-Mogg driving ambulances ?

Will we see Rees-Mogg driving ambulances ?

Can he drive? Or does he just have a chauffeur?

His nanny drives him on election campaigns, iirc

In the General Strike of 1926 didn't the Toffs pitch in to strike break?

back in the 80s, there was a sad need for protestors to recreate the Jarrow march - it was featured on "Nationwide".

www.harpenden-history.org.uk/page/the_jarrow_marches

It's probably my slipping tinfoil hat, but you need to trick google into revealing it happened.

I wonder how many Labour MPs have heard of the Jarrow Crusade compared to the number that think it's a new bistro in Ham and High ?

I suspect JRM rides everywhere on a stallion shouting "Tally Ho !". The automobile is a little too racy (unless it's preceded by a man carrying a red flag ?).

I wonder if there are any anti-hunting Brexiteers ?

Labour plan to vote down any deal.

What??
Bang head in the desk.

Maybe I should follow my parents now and leave. The dcs future will more fucked by staying than by messing their education just when they are supposed to do their GCSE.

Labour plan

sounds like an oxymoron ...

Orwell also said that at fifty, you have the face you deserve. So counting from 1968 (rather arbitrarily, but it was a significant year), FPTP seems to have given us the government we deserve. As far more knowledgeable people on here have pointed out, the post WW2 reversion to the status quo ante, with the exception of the formation of the NHS and the Education Act of 1944, has resulted in us living in a sclerotic state where nothing seems to work or run to time and where the majority of the electorate are disenfranchised at any given time - and the NHS and education are themselves under pressures that may destroy them.

On the basis that if A50 were to be rescinded we can continue in Europe as we are (but with a lot of angry Europeans because we have been buggering about).
If we went past the midnight deadline the 'best we could get from the EU already has strings attached, like taking the Euro and other stuff (I can't remember) but it wouldn't necessarily be too bad.
Strictly we would have to wait to rejoin but if we grovelled enough it could be reviewed I expect.
Any references to 'the war' are relevant as WE caused this mess and it is up to us to come up with a solution.
The government is engaged in the wilful destruction of the UK, it is almost as simple as that and it is particularly damning in that industry both manufacturing and 'services' are being gagged to prevent the extent of the financial chaos being revealed.
While no one really expects politicians to be totally truthful, for the leading lights to be allowed to spout crap that is already proven to be wrong is simply weird.
To (probably incorrectly) quote 'the truth is out there' there is certainly none coming from Government or the press.

@DGR, three letters too many I think.

The EU - and it's constituent countries - have behaved impeccably over Brexit, and shied away from any real official discussion of it, except through the agreed channels. Generally we've only heard various politicians thoughts - which they have been at pains to point out are a personal view, and not representative of any policy or stance.

That's because A50 is still in force, and they are trusting negotiations will bear fruit.

I suspect post A-50, with no deal, there will be quite a backlash against the UK. You simply can't go banging your big hairy bollocks (best description of Davies and Fox, less so Raab) around Europe, alternately insulting them and threatening them whilst treating them like a simpleton cousin and get away with it. Let's not forget part of the bluster of Brexit was that it would "finish the EU" (some chicken ! Some neck !) with various gleeful pronouncements and ill-will about the EUs future.

If the UK does fall into a no-deal, then it will be worrying to see just how unsclerotic and disunited the EU isn't when it comes to stitching the UK up. I can easy see France and Germany working as a team to woo the remaining fragments of UK business to the EU, with ample support from Spain and Italy. Probably in better English than most Brexiteers can muster.

Never mind. I'm sure it'll all be over by Christmas.

If anyone wants cheering up, SKY news has a report saying a global financial crisis, probably bigger than 2008 is on the way and already started. A brilliant time for the UK to leave it's friends behind.

Agreed @DGR, France particularly as it is the most economic trade route
is ideally placed to 'stuff' the UK without even attempting to act illegally. Simply causing 'slow downs' at ports would do the job.

^France particularly as it is the most economic trade route
is ideally placed to 'stuff' the UK without even attempting to act illegally. Simply causing 'slow downs' at ports would do the job.^

I was thinking more of acting - within the EUs own framework - such that any competition for outside business is kept to a minimum to ensure the custom goes to an EU country, rather than a non-EU country. Really this is what the EU does as a matter of course anyway, but I'm sure it can be "streamlined".

Mr Macron is already stating that he wants France at least to dissociate itself or at least become less reliant on the USA.
I wonder if he will get a good deal on 50 million tonnes of concrete to be delivered to the northern French coast?
I may be full of daft ideas but at least I am not pretending to run a country.

hester I did an email and heard nothing back, also emailed my MP twice and heard nothing back.

Am I on some labour no contact list? offended

Perhaps full time carers on benefits are not people labour like to bother with or if they are planning on voting no to any deal so meds will be short they're avoiding my type

Off to check out the end the chaos.

hester I did an email and heard nothing back, also emailed my MP twice and heard nothing back.

seems SOP, I've had the same (also from the local party). I've had plenty of correspondence about medicines (none good).

When I wonder about the future on this little island, I look at this twitter account.

@abdbozkurt
In a new executive decree, #Turkey's president #Erdogan bars foreign currency contracts on leases of real estate, vehicles and services in Turkey, orders payments in existing contracts to change into local currency lira. #EconomyInCrises

In the General Strike of 1926 didn't the Toffs pitch in to strike break? Will we see Rees-Mogg driving ambulances ?

My grandparents were both students at Oxford during the General Strike. My Granny was a toff by anyone's standards, and on the side of the strikers. My granddad was middle-class and drove a tram during the strike... [/random tangent]