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Brexit

Westminstenders: Operation Yellowhammer 1q

965 replies

RedToothBrush · 09/09/2018 11:11

Boris Johnson is clearing the decks for a leadership challenge.

I guess that means that the Brexit we get all depends on what George, Michael and Boris decide over lunch and how good Operation Yellowhammer is.

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SacrebleuLondres · 09/09/2018 13:58

‘Misconduct in public office is an offence at common law triable only on indictment. It carries a maximum sentence of life imprisonment. It is an offence confined to those who are public office holders and is committed when the office holder acts (or fails to act) in a way that constitutes a breach of the duties of that office.’

‘The elements of the offence are summarised in Attorney General's Reference No 3 of 2003 [2004] EWCA Crim 868.

The offence is committed when:
a public officer acting as such; wilfully neglects to perform his duty and/or wilfully misconducts himself; to such a degree as to amount to an abuse of the public's trust in the office holder; without reasonable excuse or justification.’

‘Misconduct in public office should be considered only where: there is no suitable statutory offence for serious misconduct (such as a serious breach of or neglect of a public duty that is not in itself a criminal offence); there was serious misconduct or a deliberate failure to perform a duty owed to the public, with serious potential or actual consequences for the public; the facts are so serious that the court's sentencing powers would otherwise be inadequate.’

1tisILeClerc · 09/09/2018 14:16

To me it seems a bit pointless. What is the purpose of such a 'trial'?
There is no guarantee Boris could or would be PM and surely there were enough lies told around the time of the vote that it is just one of the many.
Most know (and all should) that the spending by government is a committee run exercise and that where funds are spent is entirely up to them. Liam Fox 'easiest deals in history' is a lie, and so were most of the others told at the time.

SacrebleuLondres · 09/09/2018 14:57

I suppose it would make pols think twice in future if they knew they had criminal liability. Would you be careful of what statements you made if they could land you in jail?

woman11017 · 09/09/2018 16:23

Posted on other thread, links to the 200+ current groups round country.
www.google.com/maps/d/viewer?mid=1r6RldeuuPm1IWmPQa0pdCwRi1ArH7ILg&ll=53.20320419420764%2C1.2908171999999922&z=5

SwedishEdith · 09/09/2018 16:39

The Columnist
‏*@Sime0nStylites*

  1. A few thoughts re the Johnson piece in today’s Sunday Mail.

twitter.com/Sime0nStylites/status/1038670232917864448

bellinisurge · 09/09/2018 16:50

Boris is a twat. Don't bother discussing.

Hasenstein · 09/09/2018 17:26

Place marking. These Westminstenders threads are the voice crying in the wilderness; thanks to RTB and all contributors for your voices of sanity repeatedly showing how utterly mad this entire clusterfuck is.

woman11017 · 09/09/2018 17:48

Nazis photographing voters in several polling stations
www.expressen.se/nyheter/val-2018/nazistiska-nmr-fotograferar-valjare-i-flera-vallokaler/

You got to love the Swedes calling Nazis by the correct name.
There's not enough interest in the Swedish elections to start a specific thread?

BigChocFrenzy · 09/09/2018 18:31

ERG Brexit plan:

Tax cuts … + Star Wars missile system + new military expiditionary force for Falklands etc

Sums don't add up, especially with the £20 bn Brexit loss already
... unless the nhs and the welfare state are to be run down to extinction.
Maybe not what the Left Behind section of Brexiters expected.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/sep/09/tory-eurosceptics-rival-brexit-plan-includes-missile-defence-system

Hazardswan · 09/09/2018 18:36

So the Falklands won't have anyone to sell their fish to but don't worry we'll have missiles?

What a well thought out plan, I could really get behind this....Says no sane person ever.

Heatherjayne1972 · 09/09/2018 18:40

This government absolutely do want to dismantle the nhs and benefit systems
It’s in their manifesto

woman11017 · 09/09/2018 18:49

@JamesERothwell
TV4 exit poll: Social Democrats, ruling party, secures 25.4 per cent of vote #SwedenElection

woman11017 · 09/09/2018 18:51

Sweden Democrats get 16.3 percent on TV4 electors www.expressen.se/nyheter/val-2018/valet-2018-folj-valet-2018-med-expressen/

woman11017 · 09/09/2018 18:52

@ChrChristensen
#SwedenElection TV4 exit poll of 5,500 (first one...SVT at 2000):
Social Dems: 25,4%
Sweden Dems: 16.3%
Moderates: 18.4%
Greens: 5.8%
Left: 9.8%
Liberals: 5.7%
Center: 9.4%
Christian Dems: 6.6%

1tisILeClerc · 09/09/2018 18:56

@BCF
Having read through the transcript of the meeting with Mr Barnier and various cabinet members the other day I took Mr Barnier's reply to Mogg's question that Whatever outcome (other than remaining which isn't mentioned) The UK has to cough up the (approx) 40 Billion.
This being the case, how come Mogg is promising to use that money (repeatedly) to do all these wonderful things in his proposals.
Am I incorrect or is Mr Mogg a 'little liar'?
(Little liar being an expression and may not represent the magnitude of the lie).

Peregrina · 09/09/2018 19:01

Placemarking

woman11017 · 09/09/2018 19:28

@ruslantrad
@TheLocalSweden reporter: "huge disappointment" and "deflation and disbelief" in the room at the Sweden Democrats' election event as the first exit poll was released tonight www.thelocal.se/20180909/live-blog-swedish-election-day-sweden-2018-vote

Their numbers are creeping up to around 19%, but we shall see..........

BadderWolf · 09/09/2018 19:32

Hello fellow sane people Wine

BigChocFrenzy · 09/09/2018 19:41

LeClerc JRM's figures - and May's promises of NHS help, continuation of subsidies for farms, research etc - don't add up
Both plans far exceed the supposed saving of current UK budget contributions that they claim to be using.

Also, they don't consider the loss to the economy that Brexit has already caused - reduction in growth already amounts to €20 bn, nearly 3 x annual UK net contributions to the EU -
and the likely much larger cost to the exonomy after Brexit, expecially if no deal

The exit bill is €25-30bn and is for budget commitments already made
As I posted, it only reaches €40-45 bn if there are additional payments for a transition period to 31 Dec 2020
... which can only happen if there is a WA

The exit / transition bills are one-off figures, unless transition is extended, but would reportedly be spread over a few years,
so atm we don't know the annual exit costs or for how long.

Summing up: best case looks like €45 bn total annual loss (= bills + economic loss) for the next few years

Worst case: R North has estimated additionally up to 400bn trade is at risk.
Obviously most of that won't be actually lost, but losing even 10% for the first few years - quite possible -
would spike unemployment, spike the trade deficit, reduce govt tax income, while increasing the requirement for welfare spending.

So, Brexiter politicians pushing no deal / WTO are either delusional or sociopathic liars & disaster capitalists.

Mrsr8 · 09/09/2018 19:41

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BigChocFrenzy · 09/09/2018 19:42

Fingers crossed that Swedish fascists are disappointed

Mrsr8 · 09/09/2018 19:50

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woman11017 · 09/09/2018 19:51

sane Grin Everything crossed! bigchoc. Exit polls apparently underestimated Sweden Democrats before, so their numbers could go up. Sad

woman11017 · 09/09/2018 20:07

Look what they do in Sweden Shock
Interactive map. So voted your neighbors in the election • Search your address and see how your neighbours voted • The counting is ongoing www.expressen.se/nyheter/val-2018/valresultat/valresultat--se-vem-som-vinner-valet-dar-du-bor/
Do they have transparent record on tax paid too?

DGRossetti · 09/09/2018 21:03

Just to add to the gloom, Debenhams are coughing up blood ...

www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-45463870

Debenhams has brought in advisers from KPMG to assess a number of options to improve the fortunes of the department store chain.

It is in the midst of a turnaround plan designed to cut costs and boost sales.

Industry insiders say the firm and KPMG are looking at a number of potential options, including a company voluntary arrangement (CVA), but it is just one possible measure under consideration.

(contd)