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[surferjet]

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No c&p posts a mile long, they’re just boring & no one reads them.
Keep it short, sweet, & to the point.

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So the Government are spouting project fear now ?

I would love to know who you do actually believe Surfer ? Who do you think is telling the truth ?

Taken from your link:

The UK has nine out of the ten poorest regions in northern Europe, with suggestions that the rapid industrial decline brought about under Margaret Thatcher is chiefly responsible for creating pockets of poverty in one of the World’s richest economies

So it’s Thatchers fault parts of Wales & the North are poor. Well who’d have thought it?
And tell me, what has the EU done in the past 35 years to improve these areas?
Fuck all from the looks of it, I mean 35 years later & these areas are still struggling.

I hardly think that the French and Germans would want to leave, being founder members. I can see Hungary wanting out - to re ally themselves with a resurgent Russia.

And the UK has been a member of the EU for all that time Surfer ! what have successive UK governments done to improve those areas?

So it’s Thatchers fault parts of Wales & the North are poor. Well who’d have thought it? hmm
And tell me, what has the EU done in the past 35 years to improve these areas?

Right, so you now accept that the British government (not the EU) is responsible for the decline of these areas.

My second link re: Liverpool shows what the EU can do to improve regions. The critical point here, Surfer, is that it is not the EU's job to maintain sovereign, democratic states, merely help them were it can. The buck stops with the governments of each member state to look after its own people. The EU is about collaboration and support not a whipping boy for the ills inflicted by governments on its own people.

Surfer is turning stupidity into an art form.
All other 'rich countries' may have a few who would prefer to be 'out' but in general they are clever enough to understand that if you seriously disrupt the general order of the world then anarchy breaks out.
The seriously rich will always find places to try and increase their riches. It is a kind of 'sport'. Once you have a few houses and yachts etc there is not much else to spend huge amounts of money on, so making more money is just a game. When you have so much money that you could walk into an expensive jewelers and not just buy the diamond necklace but the the whole shop as well, life has a different meaning.

'Hard Brexit' to be rewarded by favourable trade deal and a new PM

Only a short while ago the UK authorities presented a long-awaited plan for leaving the EU. As is known, the country's government headed by the UK Prime Minister Theresa May chose a soft Brexit version without complete abandonment of existing trade and economic agreements. That immediately brought on a deluge of criticism against the Chief of the British Cabinet. People dissatisfied with May's strategy were both inside and outside the country. US President Donald Trump was among the leading critics of the plan. In his interview to The Sun, he made extremely negative comments about the UK Prime minister's policy. According to the US President, Theresa May ignored his recommendations regarding policy strategies that tighten Brexit conditions. She took the opposite course that led to extremely bad results. D. Trump also warned of dramatic consequences of soft Brexit, noting that any attempts of the UK government to maintain close ties with the EU will 'kill' the future trade agreement between the US and the United Kingdom.

It is known that right after the British exit from the EU Washington and London planned to conclude a special trade agreement which is now in danger of failure. However, as it turns out, Britons still have a chance to preserve mutually beneficial relationship with one of their key strategic partners. According to British intelligence services, Donald Trump implicitly promised members of the Conservative Party that he would immediately sign the agreement with London in case former Foreign Secretary Boris Johnson is elected as Prime Minister and the hard Brexit version is chosen.

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It is worth noting that D. Trump repeatedly talked about his sympathy for B. Johnson, who, according to the US President himself, was always very kind to him and who actively supported him. In the view of the US President, the former British Foreign Secretary has all the qualities to be a better Prime Minister. It should be reminded that Boris Johnson, who is one of the key supporters of the so-called hard Brexit, resigned voluntarily his post of the UK Foreign Policy chief in order to express his disagreement with the policy of the UK Prime Minister. Now B. Johnson has everything to be promoted and to take the UK Prime Minister's chair, bearing in mind the very strong support from D. Trump, as well as, low approval ratings of Theresa May.

It is not yet known whether Tories will cut this deal with the US President. It is most likely that British politicians will be ready to sacrifice 'soft' Brexit and the sitting Prime Minister at risk of resignation in order to preserve partnership relations with the USA. In any case, we will just have to await further developments.

Your 2nd link from the guardian ( that wonderful bastion of unbiased opinion )

So Liverpool was European capital of culture 10 years ago & got a few more visits for a year.
Ok. That’s nice.

And?

And tell me, what has the EU done in the past 35 years to improve these areas?
Fuck all from the looks of it, I mean 35 years later & these areas are still struggling

Just answered your own concerns:

Nation states in the EU have it in their own hands to alter their own economies, the EU has little influence on UK choices!

You are very naive if you think the current Government will change spending priorities, indeed as the economy shrinks (and i believe you your self said they d be some disruption ie job loses and loss of tax revenue) they'll be even less money and whats left will be spent in the SE as always!

Look at the immigration report just released? Allow more skilled migrants into the UK.... how is that up skilling our own people? we will just swap one group of migrants for another.

The article was from 2010 so long before Brexit. Liverpool is a good example of a city ravaged by Thatcherism and rebuilt in part thanks to the Capital of Culture award. Anyone who last visited in the 1980's and went back today would not recognise the place.

With Brexit this is all lost.

What do you think our government is going to do with all the billions we’ll save from EU ‘fees’? - spend it on prositutes and crack?

We’ll have the money to help Liverpool, Wales, & all the other neglected areas because we won’t be supporting goat herders in Lithuania or whatever. We’ll have more money for our own people & spend it how we like, not how the EU tells us.
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You can go out and buy lottery tickets for a bit of fun in the hope you will 'get rich'. The chances of winning are pretty small.The seriously wealthy are essentially doing the same but the major difference is that by understanding markets the odds are very much in their favour and there may be elements of 'cheating' or at least manipulation.
The ERG (wealthy) are using the media to manipulate many in the UK by promising unicorns. I have no idea what the 'usual' MPs on 'OK but nothing special' salaries are doing.

Surfer could you please enlighten me as to how there will be more money when your own governments impact assessments state that whatever type of Brexit the UK ends up with the country will be poorer?

www.politico.eu/article/uk-brexit-impact-analysis-document-published/

Do you think implementing Brexit has cost nothing? It is costing millions a week.

www.theweek.co.uk/93785/how-much-money-has-brexit-cost-the-uk

www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/brexit-uk-economy-losses-eu-referendum-result-billions-leave-european-union-a8081841.html

Do you think the austerity mad Tories will throw money over deprived areas like it is confetti?

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I haven’t got time to read your links sorry < have to log off > but the tories can be replaced with Corbyn / labour.
That’s the thing, we can vote out governments every 4/5 years.

Surfer, you still fail to understand. The amount the UK was paying to be a member of the EU is around 0.7% of the UK GDP. (around £350 Million per week). That means that the UK has 99.3% of GDP to do with how it likes. It always HAS but it chose to invest in projects mostly benefitting London and the South East and throw a few quid North /West as an afterthought.
in return for that almost paltry 0.7% we got access both inwards and outwards to about a quarter of the worlds total economy, allowing YOU to buy stuff at a decent price with high levels of safety and quality.

Yes the Tories can be replaced but what will be the point as they appear to want Brexit too. Brexit is for life, not a political term.

Jeez your right, the EU stopped us having GE's lol!

Even the 8 billion or so we might save is a drop in the ocean in order to help the poorer areas of the UK, its about 3 weeks of NHS spending and no-one is saying they'll spend it in these areas.

Recruiting extra nursing staff (lost to eu returnees) will cost more than this!

You ve been sold a pup!

@surferjet - what would constitute a failure for you? Or is it all better regardless of how shit it actually gets?
If so, I think you are in for a nasty shock and I'm not sure I give a shit.

I haven’t got time to read your links sorry < have to log off >

Of course you don't because once the slogans are debunked (again) its game over.

My late Mum was an invited worker from Ireland to staff up the NHS because there weren't enough UK staff who were prepared to do it.
This was the 1950s.
Guess she gets the last laugh endowing me with an EU passport and dd the right to reclaim EU citizenship via her.

I just hope that 'Surfer is proud enough to walk around in a 'I voted Leave' 'T' shirt.

The issue here is that we have to respect the referendum that took place

Amen.