Have your frienships and family relationships suffered as a result of Brexit?

[Wormzy]

Just that, really. If friends and/ or family members have clearly voted differently to you, has it changed the way you see them or interact with them? Have friendships broken down?

I haven't been able to vote, but the outcome of the vote affects me disproportionately. Family members have voted Leave. There have been arguments, also between friends, some ended in loss of contact.

I wonder how the Brexit vote has affected others on here?

The EU has tried and is still trying (see the next meeting about Brexit AND immigration).
What I haven’t seen is any workable solutions from the Leave camp.
It’s easy to criticise but harder to do the job yourself.
So, bar full on isolationism, what do you propose???

Actually I’m wrong. Brexit was a great solution to reduce EU immigration. People are leaving or not coming. Never mind it creates so many problems for businesses and people.

To illustrate the point: Something moving from 0.1% to 0.2% is a 100% increase. Or 0.1% to 0.5% is a 500% increase. It's still not a lot

That's why you talk about percentage points not absolute percentages, as to do the latter is meaningless, especially when talking about small numbers in politics.

Taken as a 'bigger picture' immigration from the EU with it's various ties between the countries can be considered more of an 'exchange'. A German moving to the UK would now be paying tax to the UK rather than Germany. pensions and benefits are (largely) transferred.
In this scenario, Germany has 'lost' a citizen (depending on whether it is a temporary or permanent move) and the UK has gained.
The unwillingness of the UK to actually manage this immigration is the UK's fault, not the EU.
Migrants from outside the EU or refugees fleeing from war zones are a different matter altogether.

Even one of the pro EU papers are finally seeing it

Rosstac it’s been as plain as the nose on my face that immigration has been the big issue for a decade. Not just in the EU either. But leaving the EU will not solve the problems.

Maybe Rosstac plans on setting up machine guns around the coast to shoot would be immigrants.
Being a Sovereign nation and 'free' of the EU that is possible.

Immigration appears to be a massive issue for a large number of developed countries.

Is the EU in charge in the USA, in Australia, in New Zealand?

No?

Or could it be that the economic crisis of 2008 severely impacted people and their living standards, and people are looking for someone to blame?

Talkstotrees So why has it taken them so long to come up with a credible plan?

1tisILeClerc That sounds like an idea you’ve thought about for a while

topcat1980 It’s a very large number of people you are talking about worldwide I don’t think that’s the only reason, maybe the developed countries should do something about it then and help people in their own countries

That'sthe problem though isn't Rosstac, what has actually happened is nothing to do with immigration, more the policies followed by right wing governments for 40 years.

But lets blame immigrants, its easier.

@Rosstac
It's not a new idea. Have you not heard of the Atlantic wall? Actually I think palisades were the first forms of 'defence' to keep unwanted intruders out.
I don't live in the UK any more.

@topcat "right wing governments" hmmmmm i'll give you Mrs Thatcher so that's 11 years between '79-'90. Where are you getting the other 29 from? ;-)

topcat1980 All Are Governments have been right wing in the last 40 years ?
As I’ve said many times I don’t blame the immigrants for wanting a better life, but not when it causes trouble to existing people and all the problems it brings

The fact is that while socially Blair's government was left wing, in economic terms in perused right wing policies.

So Major and Blair, along with Regan, Clinton and Bush as well as Thatcher.

But you are conflating immigration with refugees, and illegal immigration with FOM of labour.

I think government and MSM could do a lot more in terms of educating the public about the benefits of immigration instead of harping on about the negatives all the time. It's hardly surprising people bang on about it so much when the main messages we get are so relentlessly negative.

It’s the same for nearly all uncontrolled immigration, nothing wrong with a job based visa system ( please don’t bring up that silly 3 month rule )

" please don’t bring up that silly 3 month rule "

Why because it makes it difficult for you to claim that immigration from the EU is "uncontrolled".

More than anything the fact that only 2.5% of the JSA claimaint count are EU citizens, and they can't claim on arrival, suggests that the 3 month rule wouldn't need to be implemented?

The same kind of figures go for EU families claiming tax credits too.

This Twitter thread is quite thought provoking...

And more

Rosstac has form for trying to exclude pertinent points from the discussion . The "3 month rule" is totally pertinent to the point that there is not "uncontrolled migration" within the EU. The fact that the UK chooses not to enforce it is the UK's problem, not the EU's fault

Similarly, he or she is complaining on another thread that there were no positives about EU membership communicated before the Referendum and even though he or she tried very hard to find positives, couldn't do so but he or she doesn't read newspapers

topcat1980 No because in real life it’s impossible to properly enforce

"No because in real life it’s impossible to properly enforce"

Why do other countries manage it then?

BTW if EU migrants are here, not claiming benefits, but not paying tax and unregistered in housing, they can't access public services.

But again, these people would be in contravention of their treaty rights and easy to remove, if the UK government made it a priority.

Anyway, you have very little evidence that there are lots of EU migrants here doing the above.

topcat1980 There are many ways to get round the 3month rule, and what about after if they’ve no work do they just go home?
There are plenty around me I can assure you