Have your frienships and family relationships suffered as a result of Brexit?

[Wormzy]

Just that, really. If friends and/ or family members have clearly voted differently to you, has it changed the way you see them or interact with them? Have friendships broken down?

I haven't been able to vote, but the outcome of the vote affects me disproportionately. Family members have voted Leave. There have been arguments, also between friends, some ended in loss of contact.

I wonder how the Brexit vote has affected others on here?

So if it’s not up to the EU to pull together a joint effort in Europe, who’s responsibility is it ?

So knowing the UK was a full member of the EU and shaped its policies, what has the UK done to ensure the EU did something, something efficient to control immigration then???

Could you point me towards a proposal from the U.K. on that? Maybe one t wouod have been workable, efficient but has been refused ‘by the EU’?

young men are landing on EU beaches and storming to shore, invasion almost, can the great EU not come up with a plan to stop these economic migrants, Instead of burying their heads in the sand

@Rosstac
What do suggest? machine guns? mine the beaches? sink the boats at sea? deport everyone in Sicily and house them there? any preference?

I'd assume you are against an EU defence force? so, there is little the EU can do, they certainly can't send an EU force to Libya and set up holding camps!
When will you get it into your head the EU isn't a country and cannot act like one, it really has quite limited powers.

TBH you ve a bit of a nerve coming on here and complaining, your vote has ensured our borders will be less protected against illegal migration, as to avoid queues they ll be far less enforcement and in time, the UK border checks in France will move to the UK.

rosstac the EU alone cannot fix the problems in countries like Libya and Syria. The only long term solution to stop people leaving these countries is to make them politically and economically stable enough to be viable countries to live in.

You’re only talking about dealing with the fallout. It’s not a solution, just a sticking plaster.

the EU should be defending its borders.

Ha I knew there was a good reason for the EU to have an army of its own! So that’s it, let’s send the EU army to patrol the EU borders!

Ah, no the EU doesn’t have an army and border control is within the sovereignty of each country...
Ah well no EU army patrolling the U.K. borders to stop all those nasty immigrants then.

I wouod add Buteo and stop making things worse with our own foreign policies.....

Indeed it is a matter for nation states, quite right too.

There seems no good reason however, why the EU could not return some of the money it gathers from member states, particularly those with Mediterranean coastlines across from Lybia, etc to allow those nations to bolster their defences.

The EU might also like to endorse the idea that nations with extensive search/rescue/military capabilities lend those to the effort and support this by, again, remitting the cost to those nations who contribute :-)

One of the downsides to the killing of Mr Gaddaffi is that it encouraged the 'migrants' to attempt to reach Europe across the Med. Previously he had 'contained' them. It is a similar situation to the removal of Saddam Hussain, very nasty chap but handy for the 'West' in that he kept various rebel factions 'quiet'.
Stopping or at least containing the war and tensions in N Africa and creating a stable environment and work would stop 'immigration' to the West almost completely. Would you to prefer to live in your own country with a decent future, or travel a thousand miles north to a cold wet island full of foreigners?

@Louise, The EU already does provide assistance to Greece and Italy etc. Not enough for the large numbers that attempted to come across 2014/2015 , see also Gaddaffi above.

The EU did provide support to countries that have dealt with the most migrants.

In fact it made agreements, and agreed funding, with other countries as well to stop the flow of refugees into these member states.

It already discounts a proportion international aid given from member states contributions.

Germany has no Med coastline but has housed many thousands of immigrants and is benefiting from their labour which has boosted their economy.

One of the problems in supporting an uprising in Libya has been that normal people who lived in a relatively prosperous country (GDP per capita in 2008 was 114,396 far higher than its neighbors) have now been forced out of their homes by the war. Go look at the pictures of Tripoli before and after the war.

Syria used to be beautiful too, and relatively peaceful.

And Turkey of course.

Just a point about economic migrants and the long arm of history.

The UK is a major world economy, we are a rich nation. We are in that position due in large part to the Industrial Revolution. The Industrial Revolution was funded by the slave trade.

Our wealth, your wealth is a direct result of exploiting other countries. You Rosstac benefit from the slave trade you are a historical winner, these economic migrants are the losers. We do owe them.

Rosstac , I thought your issue was with bona fide EU immigrants ? The ones allowed here because of FOM ?

In my case Brexit definitely did affect some relationships. People I had previously thought of as ok, started spouting Britain's First and EDL, it was as if the flood gates opened as it "wasn't racist" anymore

I don't want to associate with people like that, and still can't get my head round that they are actually like that. It has definitely made me wary of people who voted leave.

However I have a couple of friends who are definitely not in that category who voted leave due to various economic explanations. We are still friends, but not close anymore - Brexit hit me hard, I lost a lot work in the early uncertainty, and had to completely change my business to survive. It was a very scary time, as they were celebrating I was working overtime to salvage my small business.

I am also very judgy on those people who voted leave and now have Irish passports for their children. I know a few.

Nothing’s changed in terms of PIL, I’ve always known them to be racists.

DH, on the other hand

BTW, I don’t assume that every leave voter is racist. But my PIL mist definitely are.

Rosstac's take on things interests me , because they seem to be ignorant of the irony of moaning about population increase on a site dedicated ( in the most part ) to people who are increasing the population !

frumpety Yes it is, but all uncontrolled immigration needs to stop, everybody can see the rise in ordinary people voting for anti immigration parties, what can the ordinary person do when nobody is listening to their concerns, I hope it doesn’t get worse, ( we’ve seen the demonstrations that have turned nasty,) before the EU and governments start listening and acting, uncontrolled immigration is getting forced on people against their wishes, it’s started slowly but as you can see the rise is growing every month, as we’ve seen with the 66% rise in votes for the Swedish anti immigration party.
There is a big difference between skilled people moving countries to work and economic migrants moving on mass to settle in areas.

frumpety A natural rise in a countries population is ok as the government can see peaks and troughs in birth rates and plan accordingly, it can’t plan when it doesn’t know what its countries numbers will be in a years time let alone 5-10 years

There is no such thing as uncontrolled immigration.

There are more people voting for anti immigration parties, but Brexiters conflate this with objecting to FOM of labour, which it isn't, and immigration from non EU countries, which it is in France, Italy, and even Sweden ( where the gain was very small).

In fact the rise of the anti immigration parties has been much over played by the press in the UK.

"As we’ve seen with the 66% rise in votes for the Swedish anti immigration party." They gained 2% more of the vote, you must be using some odd mathematics here to come to that figure.

"There is a big difference between skilled people moving countries to work and economic migrants moving on mass to settle in areas."

Which is why most of Europe is pro EU and almost all of the areas that have large EU populations in the UK voted to remain, whilst those that are overwhelmingly British, voted to leave.

The model of 'social security' from the past is failing as to put it crudely, people are living too long. All countries need young workers to provide income to support the country. It is a universal problem and globally no one has a really good answer to it.
In Japan with hi tec 'cyber pets' like 'cats' or 'dogs' that can comfort and provide interest to the elderly. A bit bizarre to our way of thinking maybe.
Humans are not supposed to live so long (as an average age).
The welfare system was based on people dying in the few years past retirement (early 70's sort of age) but with better healthcare this has pushed 'non productive' life way beyond that, and combined it with a need for some extra care.

topcat1980 So men landing on beaches and running away, boats just dropping people and ports after being rescued etc, that’s controlled is it ?
A rise from 12% to over 18% of the vote
Have you chose to ignore the violent clashes in Germany,France, Sweden, and the many no go areas in these countries now or doesn’t that fit with your agenda

1tisILeClerc What is the answer ? The more people that come in will need more people to come in when they’ve reached old age