Have your frienships and family relationships suffered as a result of Brexit?

[Wormzy]

Just that, really. If friends and/ or family members have clearly voted differently to you, has it changed the way you see them or interact with them? Have friendships broken down?

I haven't been able to vote, but the outcome of the vote affects me disproportionately. Family members have voted Leave. There have been arguments, also between friends, some ended in loss of contact.

I wonder how the Brexit vote has affected others on here?

They gained 12.9% of the vote in the last election

They gained 17.6% this year.

That's a percentage point increase of 4.7%

Its hardly large.

Oh and men jumping out of boats is going to be stopped by leaving the EU how?

topcat1980 What’s your solution to people’s concerns Europe wide ? Just let everybody and anybody go were ever they like, regardless of impact on economies, existing people’s life’s, the infrastructure to handle vast rises in population etc

topcat1980 I’m know I’m thick, but I should check you maths

You do know what percentage point increases are right?

Your nice little strawman there is hilarious btw, I never suggested any of those things.

However dealing with the refugee crisis is a very different thing to uncontrolled immigration, which was the term that you used.

Rosstac - what you’re describing is illegal immigration.

Your figures re Sweden are a bit off (as is your method but, hey) the SD went from 12.9% to 17.6%. Have you been studying at the same school as our dear friend ‘Several Millions’ 10?

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They have gone from 11.9 % of the vote to 18.9 % that is a rise in percentage of 60%.

Rostac doesn't understand percentage points.

and its to 17.6 % on all of the data I've seen.

Nor have you worked out the percentage change correctly using your figures.

However, claiming a 60% increase because of the percentage change, rather than percentage points gained is disingenuous and incorrect.

Where are you getting your information? I’ve only seen 12.9 to 17.6...

And how did you arrive at your original 66% claim?

@Rosstac
Society in general needs to come up with a new strategy for life.
Accepting that medical science and generally healthier lifestyles has given the world a problem, some readjustment is necessary. What would you suggest?
The Chinese 1 child policy was not a massive success as culturally they preferred boys and the situation was manipulated. They have now changed. The birth rate in Japan is below sustainability.
You, Rosstac could make history be coming up with a brilliant plan to solve this problem, or you could just be 'goady' on an internet forum.

98% of @Rosstac's posts make them happy. 2% don't.

Talkstotrees Radio 5, they wouldn’t lie, would they ?

1tisILeClerc Not trying to be goady ( what ever that means, is it a middle class word )
I agree a drastic solution is needed, but burying your head in sands like the EU re immigration is not going to end well for all of Europe

is it a middle class word

what an odd comment ?

topcat1980 So please tell me how much of a percentage rise, is the rise in percentage of votes that they have got, which ever way you look at it it’s still on the rise, nobody would have thought Sweden would have voted for a anti immigration party by that numbers 10 years ago

DGRossetti Only because it’s a word that is not used in my area, that’s all

17.6% voting for the Swedish Democrats means that 82.4% didn't

And it is only the 3rd largest party, not the second as some (especially UK) pollsters predicted, dropping from their 22-24% polling when people actually came to cast their vote (because they recognised them for what they were - and the Swedish media had the courage to call them - Nazis)

Concerning yes, but hardly the disaster for "moderates" that the UK media is portraying

Good prescient Twitter thread here from 31 December 2017 twitter.com/robfordmancs/status/947536942631194624?s=19

In percentage points terms it is 4.7% because thats how much of the vote that they gained.

This is how election gains are measured not by measuring percentage change year on year.

I didn't realise the EU had buried its head in the sand regarding immigration. It has actively sought to put measures in place to take pressures of the member states that are suffering most.

The increase in the Swedish vote is neither large, nor important, the two centrist parties walked away with the overwhelming majority of the vote.

I haven't read the full thread but I voted Remain and when I realise people voted Leave it changes my opinion of them instantly, and negatively, as I suspect it does in reverse

Hugely divisive issue all round

I've left Facebook now but at the time of the vote - my uni friends all voted remain and dare I say it, it was my less educated, less politically informed friends who voted Leave

People who thought that the Big Bus Lie was a real promise and thought Boris agreed with them as opposed to making an overt power grab at their expense basically

In my family, we have a number of EU and dual nationals and my father who I was NC with anyway still voted Leave as did one sibling, but that sibling lives abroad and gets all their information about how things are in the UK from the Daily Mail which they consider a credible news source and reliable depicter of life in Britain

@Ross
Being obtuse for the sake of it.

topcat1980 I depends on which way you want to spin it, a good pr person would say it’s a 60% rise on the percentage of votes,
This is how the Tory’s end up given the public the vote as they were losing voters to the steady rise of UKIP
Have none of you any slight concerns over immigration be it legal or illegal, when you see the disruption it’s causing to Italy, Greece, etc and now moving to France,Germany,Sweden etc, no slight concerns, just happy to let anybody from anywhere to go wherever they like, not knowing their history etc,

" a good pr person would say it’s a 60% rise on the percentage of votes, "

No it isn't, you have calculated the percentage change and rounded it up, this isn't an accurate description of how the vote has increased.

If they had 1% of the last election but 2% of this you could have claimed a 100% increase. It's misleading and inaccurate.

What disruption is it causing to Germany and France? In Sweeden it caused a slight increase in the vote for far right parties.

Its also NOTHING to do with the EU.

Keen to know what your solution is @Rosstac? or any suggestions/ideas?