Have your frienships and family relationships suffered as a result of Brexit?

[Wormzy]

Just that, really. If friends and/ or family members have clearly voted differently to you, has it changed the way you see them or interact with them? Have friendships broken down?

I haven't been able to vote, but the outcome of the vote affects me disproportionately. Family members have voted Leave. There have been arguments, also between friends, some ended in loss of contact.

I wonder how the Brexit vote has affected others on here?

Ohhh anecdote.

Right.

The three month rule is rigidly enforced in other countries.

Here we don't have a lot of EU immigrants on benefits, and its hard for them to get benefits if on them for 6 months with no work ( having paid NI for a certain time).

It's not impossible to enforce.
Everyone has at least a NHS number or NI number.
Simple enough to ensure all legitimate employers have those numbers provided and then people can be checked. At another level you would have ID cards, like most of Europe. It's a fact of life an not a 'big deal'.
In Belgium, you have to have proper documentation to work, claim benefits or buy or rent property.
While that may seem a little 'harsh' it is usually a 'one off' discussion when changing jobs or house etc.
If you, Rosstac, want strict immigration, are you happy to have and carry an ID card?

topcat1980 No that sounds like a good idea, is that EU wide ?

1tisILeClerc Yes, Yes, I agree with you I’d cards, now there is a new idea, I’m amazed that this country hasn’t thought of it before, Oh wait

Its part of the treaty which makes FOM of Labour possible.

It was only difficult to enforce, Rossac, because the HO has only just got around to issuing biometric ID cards to immigrants.

To work in the UK, all non-EU immigrants have to show their biometric residence card to employers (the way UK and EU people show their passports). To get healthcare, they need to show them at the GP surgery. To rent homes, they need to show them to the landlord.

All that the HO needs to do is give entering Europeans a form to go get their BRP when they enter the UK. (Note: everyone goes through passport control, so they are on the system.) So:

1. If they don't get their cards issued within 3 months, they would be on the "leave now" list. (Biggest issue here is HO backlogs - maybe give them a grace period to actually get the card, as the HO is notoriously slow on this even for people who've been settled with ILR.)
2. Once the card has been received, if an employer doesn't send in notification of checking their BRP on the HO system within 3 months, they would go on the "leave now" list.

See? Not so difficult.

Yes, Yes, I agree with you I’d cards, now there is a new idea, I’m amazed that this country hasn’t thought of it before, Oh wait

What do you mean by this?

(Psst - you did know about biometric residence permits, right Rossac?

I'm not sure Rosstac knows what she means.

She conflates FOM with refugees and illegal immigration all the time.

I know the difference thank you

Talkstotrees I think it was rejected early 2000’s

@Talks
You have to remember that Rosstac is a bear with a very little brain who doesn't read newspapers and can't find ANYTHING the EU has done for the UK despite bloody great blue signs up in many places saying 'part funded by the EU'.

Oh, I think I can help with that...

Looking where I live about 6 projects had received a total of about 2 Million, and that was places within 6 miles of my location.
The MYEU site is fun to look at and very informative.

Oh sorry, it includes 'FACTS', pass the garlic.

It is also extracted from info in a letter in a newspaper written 3 years before the Referendum by an expert - so apparently impossible to find

I have encountered post hoc justification before: I've never come across post hoc unjustification

I've never come across post hoc unjustification

@rosstac

Still no nearer coming up with any solutions? are you in the ERG ?

Still not acknowledging the existence of BRPs, either.

Remembered this thread, and thought I'd post a positive in that since Brexit, I've found myself getting in contact with long-estranged cousins (our DFs fell out when we were kids ) all over Europe.

That's good news. I have similar with one of my physically distant cousins.

Of course they all think the UK is barking. The only Brexit news they are getting is via me, really, as ... well, it's not really bothering anyone in their neck of the woods to be honest.

One live in a very touristy part of the EU (not quite costa del sol, but right language). I mentioned an Brexiteer article about how desperate they are for British tourism which elicited a "Oh, really " response. Apparently the only people worried about Brexit where she lives are the (numerous) ex-pat Brits. They are "shitting" themselves about a no deal.

Seems I have a delightful clutch of second-cousins. Who have an eerie semblance (starting school so loads of piccies) . (Also discovering we have some genetic issues ...)

Half of my family are now planning to emigrate to another EU country where they do not speak the language but they have transferable skills so could get good jobs.

They do not want their children to be deprived of their EU citizenship and all its advantages, to live in a poor, mean, nasty "little britain".

This is heartbreaking to the rest of the family, especially the children's retired grandparents who, unlike most old folk, voted RFEMAIN.

My dad voted leave on the basis of immigration partly.
I find this highly embarrassing as his partner is an immigrant. She has worked here for years. Tbh I don't know why she puts up with it...She was devastated by the leave vote.
Dad has NO idea how his vote affects those around him. But conservatives have never been known to possess flexible thinking.

Reposted from Westministerenders thread. Sorry the post is quite long.

Don’t often post on this thread but am an avid reader of it since the the BBC seems to carefully hide or gloss over anything remotely “project fear”

So I wasn’t expecting the hard core leave / remain argument at 8.30 this morning from a friend. I explained I was going to have to decline an invite from her as it now clashed with the march in London. She is very pro leave and kept asking if I wanted a battlefield situation ? Not sure what she meant as I think a battlefield will happen with no deal.

I cut the debate short because a) at 8.30 I really didn’t feel like arguing and b) it seemed pointless with someone whose views were so entrenched.

But now I realise She is supposed to be coming with us in April for a weekend away sharing a large house. A month after we withdraw from Europe. Not sure I can cope.

Everyone else going is very pro remain. We generally don’t really talk about politics but this is so big and will have so many effects especially if there is no deal, I don’t think it will / can be avoided.

We don’t pay our deposit until after the key dates this autumn. If a no deal looks even more likely at that stage I think I might tell her the trip is off!
It’s the battlefield comment that worries me.
Trouble is the weekend away is just after the withdrawal. I don’t think politics could be completely avoided or at least the consequences of them. (Which I think will be very many)

The invite was not long standing. I don’t like accepting and then declining but I said to her that the March and issue were so important to me that I felt I had to. Hense her Brexit comments. She implied a battlefield with Europe if we stayed in I think.

Part of me wants to get her to explain , part of me wants to withdraw from a closer friendship - she is a relatively new friend. Also not wanting to drip feed but she let me down yesterday regarding a get together. Me now letting her down is not tit for tat ., though it might look like that to her. I had decided to go on the March beforehand and intended to tell her face to face.

Trouble is the holiday is for 8 of us not just me and her. Don’t want to cancel for the rest of us , just her. She wanted to join our group because of where we were going. She appeared pretty inoffensive ( and probably is despite what she said this am ) so we agreed to her coming along.
Going to have to let her down. This dynamic is not going to work