Remainders always start anti Brexit threads.

[Ihatemycar]

I've been reading Brexit threads and it's always the same people talking about how unhappy they are about Brexit.
I guess Brexit leave voters have no time to waste on forums.

NI border.
Both the EU and if the UK trades under WTO rules state there has to be a customs border between the EU or whichever state is trading under WTO rules.
If you put a fence around 3 sides of your (square) garden you would expect either your dog to escape or others to come into your garden.
There are two solutions: Take the fence down completely and everywhere becomes the garden for your dog to roam (the EU) OR you put a fence on the 4th side.
One is a sensible and beneficial approach, take the fence down so your dog has greatest freedom or with a fence you make some people exceedingly unhappy, and rip up an international treaty in the process.
Not that you really care but those 'within the fence' actually voted for NO fence.

Belgium is one of the countries with the tightest 'immigrant' regulation. You can't rent a place to live or do any work without proper ID. Employers risk prison for giving work to people with incorrect documentation. Without ID you are out soon after your 3 months is up.

The arrogance is astounding. You think Britain can cope because Canada does?

What does Canada have that Britain doesn't? well, a massive amount of oil for starters, a growing economy compared to our rapidly shrinking one, and oh yeah, they have trade deals are part of a trading bloc.

Australia, well they masses of land, coal, natural gas, renewable energy sources with the space to build build more, gold, uraniam, copper and of course, bi-lateral trading agreements and they're working on creating a new trade bloc with Canada, the US, Mexico, Chile, Singapore and more. They also have a growing economy compared to our shrinking one.

The US aren't doing so well on the natural resources front but they are the most powerful economy in the world and at the forefront of technological, military and areospace development. And oh, yeah, they have trade agreements too.

What does the UK have? Well, it has a well respected financial services industry which it relies on to keep it's economy
afloat. There'll be no issues at all with the financial services industry if we crash out of the EU with no deal, none whatsoever

Bertrand like not wanted further integration specially in law and how the European court trumped ours. Cases like Abu Hamza we wanted to get rid of him for years and we couldn't. Thank goodness the Americans wanted him and off he went. Now he wants to come back here. Why not go back to his native Egypt?
Also the Uk wanted to change benefits to new arrivals so they would need to be here for 4 years before they could access benefits. We send millions for children that don't even live here.
This may not be the most important changes but they are top of my head.

1tis I guess you are here because we are the softer touch.
We've very welcoming and people are able to find jobs here.
But we are still nothing extraordinary?

Frequency we are going to have to cope don't we?
It's a divorce of sorts we may find a frog or a Prince Charming after we leave the EU. Who knows only time will tell...

But the Abu Hamza thing wasn’t to do with the EU - it was the ECHR.

“Also the Uk wanted to change benefits to new arrivals so they would need to be here for 4 years before they could access benefits.“

You think that’s a good thing?

I believe the UK could have changed the benefits for new arrivals. Since it didn't even bother using the already existing rules you get no points for that.
Abu Hamsa was largely 'contained' in his activities or are you proposing we just kill people we don't like?
Ihate, there is a very unpleasant theme coming from your posts, strong hints of racism and basically a dislike of everyone and your car.
I presume your 'German car' is a Trabant which if is is the case you get a very small amount of sympathy.

Bertrand why should we the tax payer offer a welcome package on arrival?
Last night we were out in town. We encounter 3 homeless men. We gave money to each and talked a little with them. They were all ex service men. Makes me furious that we send money to people that never contributed to our economy and our service men are on the street. Unacceptable I want to look after our people here before others.
Abu Hamza went to the European Court of human rights to stop extradition he won an active terrorist.

Cases like Abu Hamza we wanted to get rid of him for years and we couldn't.

That had nothing to do with the EU. Signing the European Convention on Human Rights is a requirement of membership of the Council of Europe, and it prohibits extraditing people unless there is an assurance that they will not be executed. Regardless of what the people want, the UK government is never going to leave the Council of Europe. There is only one country in Europe that isn't a member of it: Belarus, and for the simple reason that their human rights record is appalling.

You don't get it, do you?

We can't find a Prince, there is no possible way we can benefit from leaving the EU. All projections say we will be worse, all of them. It's a matter how much worse off we'll be.

I don't think it's all doomsday or anything. I don't think there's going to be rioting on the streets, the government will be overthrown, martial law will be implemented and we'll all slowly starve to death. Although that is more possible than us suddenly finding a way make magic rainbows and unicorns and make us far more important than anyone else in the world.

I predict things will decline slowly, unemployment will rise to record levels, business will close, the cost of living will rise (but not to worry the US is dying to sell us hormone ridden beef at a discount price), education and development will suffer and eventually we'll either re-join the EU or we'll join another trading bloc and set about repairing the decades worth of damage we caused the country and it's economy.

The best we can hope for now, excluding revoking A50, is BRINO.

We won't find a Prince because there are none.

I'm starting to wonder if Ihatemycar is some kind of "reverse troll" as he/she/they is/are doing such a good job of apparently believing every single DM fallacy about the EU and thus providing the opportunity for less gullible and more educated people to rebut time and time again. The fact that he/she/they choose(s) to ignore or not believe the rebuttals still gives ample scope for the lurkers to see them

So like one similar poster before him/her/them, I thank them.

1tis I know where you are going with this too.
I admire people that want to do better I don't care where they come from.
I want people that want to work, integrate and enhance our country.
I love diversity. I've lived in 14 different countries. What I don't like is anybody saying that we are nothing special when they settle here. Clearly it's a good place to live or you'll go. It's a choice.
You want to make it out that my motivation to leave the EU is because I'm a racist.
Nothing further from the truth you just annoyed me by describing Britain as nothing extraordinary.

“Abu Hamza went to the European Court of human rights to stop extradition he won an active terrorist.”

Do you understand the difference between the ECHR and the EU?

We're not extraordinary

Okay, so apart from our Britishness, which we appear to want to keep to ourselves lest it be diluted, what extraordinary thing do we have to offer the wider world that will keep them to coming to use when we have no trade agreements and the cost of buying from us is more than it is to buy from the EU who can offer the same things we do?

Are we going to launch the navy the day after Brexit and become an empire again? Because I think the EU and the US and their bigger than ours armed forces might have something to say about that or is that you're sitting on a massive pile of oil you're going to suddenly produce when it looks like all is lost?

Perhaps you have a brilliant new way of producing cheap and sustainable energy or food?

What extraordinary thing do we have to offer that the world can't get elsewhere, cheaper?

Other countries have immigrants too.

Prettybird because I don't agree with staying in the EU that makes me a troll?
Bloody hell you lot attack like hyenas. You gang up on me and I'm the troll?

The fact the British government employ people to serve in the armed forces, where they risk losing their life or livelihood in the service of the UK is a total scandal and the government should be truly ashamed. This is NOT an EU issue of course but it serves as an illustration of the contempt that too many politicians have of the 'ordinary' people of the UK.
If the government wanted to sort out homelessness it could do, but despite the weazel words on occasions it doesn't suit them. Again NOT EU.
There are many things the UK government could do to make the UK a truly wonderful place for all (except the weather) but it chooses not to, and having trashed whole areas of the UK in the industrial past, now forgets those that worked so hard to make Britain Great and allows asset stripping and simply buying from overseas.
When JRM and friends get in this will probably escalate. The fact JRM has taken his wealth out of the UK so that when the economy sinks further, he and his disaster capitalists can rush back in and make more money.

ihatemycar
If you'd actually bothered to look it up you'd know Cameron had secured from the EU an opt out from further integration.

No - Ihatemycar - I didn't say you were a troll. I wondered if you could be a reverse troll, who was actually in favour of the EU, because you were doing such a brilliant job of providing opportunities to people to rebut all your arguments. If I thought you were a troll (as opposed to just ), I would report you as per the MN guidelines.

I'm glad you've been posting what you've been posting : threads like this aren't just about you, they're also about the lurkers who genuinely want to inform themselves. And for that I thanked you for giving us the opportunity to do so

For the amount of money that the UK is trowing away now and well into the future, it could build nice warm (modest) houses for all the immigrants and homeless across the UK, BUT the government has a stranglehold on the building industry and it doesn't want to do this.
Building contractors want to make BIG profits, which to a degree is 'OK' BUT if the government insisted that housing was built at a 'not for profit' rate (builders would still be paid, but not to the point where they make significant profit) then it would be perfectly possible.

Ihate-do you understand the difference between the ECHR and the EU?

Prettybird don't patronise me. If I'm wrong in any way so be it.
I voted to leave because I want to leave the EU. I don't need a reason I just want to.
Most be hard to understand that it doesn't matter what you do. Come the 29th of March we are out ready or not.
17 million people made a decision not just me.
Hard pill to swallow for you lot but it is what is. Your only hope is Chequers agreement but that's the worse deal of all.