Remainders always start anti Brexit threads.

[Ihatemycar]

I've been reading Brexit threads and it's always the same people talking about how unhappy they are about Brexit.
I guess Brexit leave voters have no time to waste on forums.

Do you really believe that the EU doesn't need the UK? Trust me they do. They want our money as simple as that

I asked you earlier to expand on how they need us and you never replied.

If it's as simple as you thinking they need our money, did you not realize the EU have already restructured their payments structure and will not miss Britain's money? They planned for Brexit from they day we announced it, we didn't. They're years ahead of us in the planning stakes.

They do not need us. We are a tiny, insignificant island with not much to offer in the way of trade. We don't have a mountain of natural resources to share, we're not drowning in oil and gold. They are 27 countries, including Germany and France, who are members of the most powerful trading bloc in the world. They'll be fine without Britain.

Frequency you really made me laugh. The EU absolutely want our money £39 billion at least or more.
If you want answers google them because it doesn't matter what I say. You won't believe me.

Or another way of putting it, is the rest of the EU's need for UK money worth smashing up the whole EU for? So far, they have said not, they'd prefer us to stay, but will work round our not doing. Furthermore there are some pickings to be had as businesses relocate and EU workers relocate back. I am quite sure the Poles will be delighted to keep their younger workers.

No, they just don't have any realistic or sensible arguments to back their position, very much like yourself, obviously

I'll repeat my post from yesterday because you obviously didn't understand it I've italicised the last paragraph just to make it easier for you to notice.

You don't need a crystal ball to know that if you stand in the middle lane of a busy motorway, the probability is extremely high that you will be killed.

Pesky Experts will tell you that it is dangerous, that you might be killed. That there are rules about no pedestrians on motorways

But of course, if you want to believe that they are exaggerating and that the traffic will accept that you have unilaterally agreed that the middle lane should now be a pedestrian one and/or that the law makers are most unreasonable not to allow you to stand there and to make it safe for you to do so, go right ahead If you survive, you can say, "I told you so, it was fine " If you don't, well.....I suppose you (or rather your heirs) could always try claiming that you weren't warned or that the cars had deliberately run you over out of spite or the rules about no pedestrians on motorways should have been clearer

And you do know that the UK isn't the largest contributor to the EU, don't you? A large one, I'll grant you, given the size of its population and its GDP, but not the largest. It will be missed only in as much as it contributes to the fixed overheads (which, compared to our own government and Civil Service are very low). But it is actually only 8th or 9th in terms of GDP per capita

https://select-statistics.co.uk/blog/much-eu-cost-uk

I think Frequency has absolutely nailed it. I have a politics degree but my understanding of the complexities of the EU is fairly limited. It’s obvious that most of the actual government didn’t/don’t understand how complicated the logistics of leaving actually are which is why it was madness to put it to the public in the form of a binary vote.
I do have some understanding of why people would have voted to leave. What I don’t understand, and am getting increasingly angry about, is people like the OP who blindly cling onto the position they took 26 months ago and doggedly ignore the growing mountain of evidence that leaving, particularly leaving with no deal which is looking more likely by the day, is going to be catastrophic for this country.
I reluctantly supported Blair’s decision to invade Iraq because I fell for the lies. When these lies were exposed and the unmitigated disaster of this decision became apparent, I felt angry and betrayed and was more than happy to change my mind.
That is what baffles me about people like the OP - why they stick their head in the sand and just spout meaningless sound bites rather than getting angry that they were fed a pack of lies.

You can blame, you can get cross, you can think we are thick, you can think it's a disaster, you can think that we don't know what we voted for

Good, because we do. You're doing nothing to dispel the stereotype of the thick Brexiteer here. Anyway, we'll all soon find out if it's a disaster or not. And when it is, nobody wins - we won't enjoy being right but fucked over, and you won't enjoy being fucked over and you won't even be smart enough even then to realise how wrong you were and how it's all your own fault.

I've lost all compassion for the idiots who voted Brexit out of spite and resentment. I hope they are the first in line to get fucked over. They asked for it and they're going to get it.

@Ihate
The EU would LIKE to continue trading with the UK but they are not desperate for UK money. Certainly not desperate enough to drop the four 'pillars' of EU membership. The world is a hell of a lot bigger than a small island of troublesome 'Brits'.
The UK economy was somewhere between France and Germany. Both of whom have invested heavily in car and aeroplane part manufacture in the UK as we had a suitable workforce, in which the former UK companies/government had failed to invest in properly.
If you look at the WTO documents it is quite difficult to find references to the UK as for most tables we are bundled in with the rest of the EU. We do not stand out as a manufacturing and trade powerhouse.
I am sure the resorts in Europe will be happier to take money from richer 'holidaymakers' from India, China etc over the drunken louts from the UK.

Frequency how dare you call the UK tiny and insignificant?
You clearly don't know how powerful we are and how we still are the 5th most powerful nation on earth.

No wonder you want to remain the EU's slave.

The EU would prefer to have our less than £39b (a sizable chunk of it comes back to us by way of rebates and grants) but they have already restructured their payments with other member countries to make sure they can still function and meet their commitments without it.

There's a world of difference between would like to the UK's money and need the UK's money.

They are not going to undermine their entire raison d'être for something they would like to have but can manage without.

I don't believe the EU want to see the UK fail but they're not going to jepordise everything they've worked for and 27 other countries to make sure it doesn't happen. We are the ones who threw ourselves under the bus. Why should they shoot themselves in the foot to save us?

If they cave to our demands, they'll need to cave to Norway and Sweden which they're not going to do.

@Ihate. You should add 'deluded' to your list of British attributes.
You are quoting from history, at least 80 years or so but the real 'heyday' was about 120 years ago. Successive British governments have pissed it up the wall.
Remember Scotland and Northern Ireland voted to remain but are being dragged backwards by England (and some of Wales).

"Do you really believe that the EU doesn't need the UK? Trust me they do"
What do they need us for? Not the money-the restructuring has already taken place, and the saving on subsidies to the UK will be considerable. What else do they need us for?

"You clearly don't know how powerful we are and how we still are the 5th most powerful nation on earth." By what measure?

Norway and Sweden have broadly similar outlook on life to France, Gerrmany, Holland etc and are or at least were content to accept their 'less than full EU experience' with presumably reduced membership fee and accepting that the EU laws that would apply to them are acceptable and happy enough that Brussels won't try and force them to do things significantly against the Nor/Swede people.

This '5th most powerful nation' is just sending its £3 Billion aircraft carrier (white elephant) across to the USA to find some fighter jets.
Being part of the EU we automatically get 'assistance' from the other EU countries if needed. Separate from the EU there is no deal and theoretically the EU COULD then declare war on the UK.
While the UK does have significant military power it will be 'billy no mates' so stands a risk of having to go it alone.

You clearly don't know how powerful we are and how we still are the 5th most powerful nation on earth.

Gosh, how amazing for plucky little Britain to achieved that whilst shackled by the nasty EU for the last 40 years.

Mind you, since OP is so keen to point out that 17.4 million is a bigger number than 16.1 million, it’s a bit disingenuous to try and argue that 65 million is a bigger and more important number than 443 million.

You do realise the a lot of the UKs remaing power is because we are in the EU? We are a lot more insignificant on our own which is exactly what the rest of the world have been telling our Ministers as they travel around discussing trade deals. Since the referendum we have already fallen to the 6th largest economy and we are set to fall still further.

Rumour has it that there are a lot of 'little pluckers' in government and industry. They will be the ones that took the British Empire 120 years ago to................England, or rather London on sea.

Actually a bit unfair. The 'Empire' was built up by killing and appropriating other countries and natural resources.
Other countries, who may have started out in a similar way, realised that trading was rather a more harmonious way to do things so have done well. And the UK (a nation of shopkeepers) is doing WHAT?

If the EU is so terrible why is no one else leaving?

How do other countries manage without the EU? They clearly don't I guess.
Australia absolute dump full of criminals and undesirables. Not a penny to their name...
The US, Canada poor them without the EU.
Well we'll find out soon enough if we are going to be living like savages fighting each other for food.
Time for a fresh start like it or not.

Other countries manage by being in similat trading blocs. No country goes it alone.

You really are confirming the stupid label of leavers.

I must admit, I didn't realise that the USA was a small island on the edge of a continent, with only 65 million people. I thought they were a virtual sub continent with 250 million plus. Oh wait, they are.....

Thank you for posting your very interesting views on this, OP. You’ve obviously done a lot of research.

Now if you could just help me out, as I’m a wee bit concerned about this, having grown up losing friends and family members in the troubles. What about the Irish border? What should be done about that? I’m sure you’ll know exactly what needs done, as all the Brexit supporters will have taken that into consideration. So could you please enlighten me?

While I’m thinking about the troubles, has anyone any suspicions if Isis will use the fact that we will no longer be part of the EU and therefore won’t be able to rely on them for help, as an opportunity to blow the fuck out of the UK? So the uk could, in theory have Isis and the disgruntled NI terrorists to deal with, at the same time, if the border isn’t dealt with in a sensible and agreed manner.

Those countries are all in trading blocs. The EU simply happens to be the largest and wealthiest of them.