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Westminstenders: Summer Season

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RedToothBrush · 17/08/2018 11:58

No its not the weather making your brain rot and stop thinking.

Thats just Brexit.

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Hazardswan · 17/08/2018 15:59

brummie I'm uk born with a foreign sounding name, your families experience is very worrying!! Should we all change our last names to Smith or something?

prettybird · 17/08/2018 16:10

I think Red's comment was half a joke, albeit one based on a kernel of truth. The passports may well be delayed significantly but not forever if there are delays at the ports (both sides of the Channel).

It's more of a risk for perishable goods though.

prettybird · 17/08/2018 16:20

I'm naturalised British with a very foreign sounding surname, right at the end of the alphabet. I've also lost not just my naturalisation certificate but also my birth certificate Blush (I know they're in the house somewhere Confused Ds' birth certificate is probably in the same place Blush)

Fortunately, I've got my British passport which I must make sure not to lose and I've got record of its number, so renewals are not so far an issue.

I'm wondering if/when the banks I use (one personal account, one joint with dh) will ask for "proof" that I'm allowed to be in the country. Hmm

Hazardswan · 17/08/2018 16:30

Tbh I've started carrying two types of id around with me. People get confused, my name indicates "foreign" (say italian) but it's the wrong sort of foreign for my face (say irish). It's like people are starting to forget that the we live in a multicultural society and some of us are genuinely British with (mainland) European heritage. Just waiting for someone to tell me to go home but I can't go home cos I was born here!

pretty reminds me I have no clue where my birth certificate is!

prettybird · 17/08/2018 16:43

I'm in Scotland and so far I don't think anyone has experienced any negativity up here. But maybe that's because I live in such a multi-cultural part of Glasgow. Smile

Hazardswan · 17/08/2018 17:00

pretty that's heartening news they did vote remain in Scotland didn't they??

I've had a view HmmHmm looks in reference to my name but that's it.

Back in the day people used to stop me in the street/cafe/station, in a nice way, and ask me where I was from Grin

prettybird · 17/08/2018 17:06

We did indeed Grin

In fact my local area voted 70% Remain Shock all those pesky Commonwealth citizens with the right to vote Wink we also voted Yes in the Indyref Wink

BestIsWest · 17/08/2018 17:17

Just marking place.

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Hazardswan · 17/08/2018 17:34

pretty I'm surprised a swift indyref hasn't been called before the March exit.
Scotland is my back up plan to my back up plan it would be plan A but it's cold dragging scotland and northern ireland through this when they didn't vote for it is just Shock

Hazardswan · 17/08/2018 17:38

herimone Grin my advert is just dog related.

Did anyone see the David lammy tweets about the brexiters bastarditers who have brought Maltese passports, moved businesses, obtained German passports for their kids, etc?

if I voted leave I'd be going mental at the bastarditers

prettybird · 17/08/2018 18:10

Hazard - Nicola is under a lot of pressure from some but not all SNP members and Indy supporters to call a snap referendum. Hmm

However a) she wants to do it "legally", so with the permission of WM, b) she doesn't really want to go for it until the polls are suggesting 60:40 in favour (or as a minimum be confident that they will move to at least that by the time of the vote)

...,which leads to my interpretation c) we may need to have to go through the clusterfuck of a No Deal or Hard Brexit to demonstrate once and for all that WM doesn't act in the best interests of Scotland let alone the rest of the UK in order to get the required support.

I'm hoping that she has done a lot of soft diplomacy to ensure that an independent Scotland can re-enter the EU quickly - or as a minimum become an accession state. It's a fallacy that there is a "queue": countries can join once they meet the entry requirements and given that we would have been meeting them on 29 March, as long as there isn't too long a gap (and WM hasn't already sold Scotland down the river with trade deals with the USA involving devolved areas), that should be relatively easy. We might have to commit to joining the Euro - but given that we'd have to first provide evidence of our own currency's stability, that wouldn't be immediately. and we could always do what Sweden does and never quite meet the criteria Wink

KennDodd · 17/08/2018 18:10

@Hazardswan

No, can you link to it?

Hazardswan · 17/08/2018 18:55

pretty thanks that's food for thought. Still think it sucks for Scotland, in terms of food distribution Scotland and Cornwall will be most impacted I think I read in the event of a hard brexit. I might be shimmying my way up there if the ref is called Grin

Kenn mobile.twitter.com/DavidLammy/status/1030039736612806656

Link should take you right to the tweets II mentioned I think. i like David's twitter it is a good read with good articles.

BigChocFrenzy · 17/08/2018 19:09

fishes According to R North, a leaver who has studied the possible consequences of Brexit over some years,
all previous arrangements re imports - and exports - are null & void unless there is a specific deal to change this.

The UK will no longer be able to treat imports from EU countries differently to those from other WTO member countries, regardless of whether e.g. companies have existing contracts, or whether trade was formerly "frictionless"

Hence, the UK would either have to wave through goods from all countries or perform comparable checks on all countries,
according to the WTO scale of how many checks for which region, e.g. imports from some groups of countries might need to have 20% of consignments inspected; others might need 50% inspected.

In the case of food, he says the UK would presumably choose to wave through all food from anywhere, without checks, as an alternative to logjammed ports.
RNorth thinks the govt will have to use emergency powers to only allow empty lorries to travel to Calais etc, to reduce delay at their end.

BigChocFrenzy · 17/08/2018 19:10

The Road Haulage Association basically agrees with him and is issuing increasingly desperate press releases, posted on these threads

BigChocFrenzy · 17/08/2018 19:12

I"m pretty sure that the govt would cite National Security if some new passports were urtgently required.
However, these should be spaced over a 10-year period, as people renew their old ones.

woman11017 · 17/08/2018 20:45

@sueconlan
Home Office letter to a 6 year old boy includes line: "If you decide to stay [in the UK], then your life in the UK will become increasingly more difficult".

@sueconlan
I saw the original letter and the boy to whom it was addressed on Tuesday. Such letters are issued regularly by the Home Office. This was to a 6 year old

Westminstenders: Summer Season
Thomasinaa · 17/08/2018 21:06

Woman11017 - could you post the next part of the letter please?

woman11017 · 17/08/2018 21:26

Sorry Thomasinaa that's all there is. Here's the twitter thread; Sue Conlon is an immigration lawyer, I've checked as much as I can and think it's genuine.
twitter.com/sueconlan/status/1029390751174717446

MrHoolieswaistcoat · 17/08/2018 22:24

I’m sure ‘increasingly more difficult’ is grammatically incorrect
I wish I could stop thinking about this. Part of me is clinging to the hope that sense will prevail and that no politician is going to actually lead us into the apocalyptic nightmare of a no deal Brexit but I wouldn’t put it past this lot.
DS1 got his A level results yesterday and has got into Imperial to study Biomedical Science and wants to go into research.
I was so thrilled and proud and was then overcome by this wave of rage when I thought about how Brexit is going to impact on research. I was actually having fantasties of torturing JRM, Bojo, Farage et al and I am the most peace loving person you could meet.

Talkstotrees · 17/08/2018 22:44

Place marking. Thanks Red.

MrHool, well done to your son - mine is doing Biomed at Edinburgh.

Hazardswan · 17/08/2018 23:03

Mrhoolies I wouldn't hold you back! In fact can I add you to my list of back up plans Smile

Well done to your son and to yours talktotrees StarStar

Mrsr8 · 17/08/2018 23:26

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BigChocFrenzy · 18/08/2018 00:00

Well done, miniHoolies, miniTrees