to warn of possible grounding of passenger flights and air freight from 29th March

[Clairetree1]

In order for any plane to take off or land in the UK from the 29th March, we need either

a) an agreement that we can still be included in the European aviation safety agreement, including agreeing to be bound by the European courts.

or

b) The UK civil aviation authority needs to set up its own safety agreement, write all its policies, establish it rules, negotiate with approximately 25 separate governments to come to an agreement that these rules are acceptable for planes flying into and out of their countries ( including the EU and USA), recruit and train several thousand staff, buy and adapt premises, put maintenance and safety procedures into action, to the satisfaction of said 25 governments, under go and pass international inspection and get underway.

My friend in civil aviation has been shouting louder and louder about this for over a year, as time ticks by and nothing whatsoever is done to make progress towards either a or b.

He tells me there was an article about this on the BBC website earlier, but it appears to have been taken down now, at least I can't find it.

Anybody prepared to buy air tickets for April 2019?

new EU ec.europa.eu/commission/news/ambitious-partnership-uk-after-brexit-2018-aug-02_en update, 21 month transition period.

@PestymcPestFace

This is Barnier reminding the UK what he believes the UK already agreed to back in March, including the rights of EU and UK nationals and the commitment by the UK to pay the £39 million financial obligation [and for this payment to NOT be dependent on a successful post-Brexit agreement, as first Davis, then Raab had threatened]. He also states the need for a Backstop solution for the Irish border, which is part of the 20% of the Leaving Agreement that still needs to be agreed - and which the UK government at present are refusing to countenance.

The 21-month transition is something that the UK asked for. If there is no agreement on the terms of the UK leaving the EU, then there can be no transition - in other words, there will be a Hard Brexit on 29th March.

then there can be no transition - in other words, there will be a Hard Brexit on 29th March.

I’d disagree on the terminology here:

Hard Brexit = leaving CU/SM with a withdrawal period and some sort of deal
Soft Brexit = EEA/EFTA membership
Crash Out = Leave with no deal and no withdrawal period

Havanananana thankyou for getting it all back on track :)

As much as i despise Brexit and the Tories, i really cannot see them being so incompetent they allow us to crash out with no deal, the implications for their party would be extreme, they d risk electoral melt down.

Therefore, i think a hard brexit as described above is the most likely outcome with the Tories and Press successfully blaming the EU and us remoaners for the ensuing mess.

So, no i dont believe they ll be no flights next March, but of course i might be giving the Tories a little to much intelligence!

The Tories will spin it so that it's everyone else's fault. For them to see electoral meltdown as they did in the 1990's there needs to be a credible opposition, as there was then. Whatever people think about Blair, he did provide a believable alternative at the time.

Yes, you can see that with Hunt's press briefings over the past few days about an 'accidental Brexit.' He's creeping closer to acknowledging the disaster they're driving us towards, but he's counting on people not following the UK's regular flip-flopping on previous negotiation agreements points with the EU and thinking the the EU must be to blame.

You can see the spin starting already.

Wow, so the sky hasn’t fallen in after all.

Who’da thunk it?

Check in again in December

@Tippexy - you're just making yourself look very ill informed by coming on to multiple posts with comments that show you have no understanding of what happened yesterday wrt brexit and the potential ramifications.

Zombie thread

I like these Project Fear reminders: Super gonorrhoea? yes they actually said that 🤣 these old threads are great please keep reminding us

That was a no deal thread. Maybe you could revive it on 31 December 2020.
Thanks to Johnson caving over NI, we haven't got a no deal scenario. Yet.

@InfiniteSheldon - yet another person doing some illinformed gloating. If you're gong to gloat, try doing it with actual facts. It just makes you look a bit dim otherwise.

It's superb, isn't it @InfiniteSheldon

Keep up the name calling it hasn't changed anything inn three years. I will just continue to be proud of the quiet majority that has defended Democracy and won through.

I’m not name calling. I’m simply pointing out that you’re talking nonsense and doing so makes you look dim. You obviously don’t understand the implications of the WA and the current transition period on issues such as flights. That may be because you choose not to inform yourself or it may be because you are a bit dim. I don’t know which🤷‍♀️.

Double down that's worked well so far hasn't it, you can ignore us but we won't be dictated to by a cabal of elite white men you might like it but the country has said no.

If you think you’re not being dictated to by a cabal of elite white men, you’re deluded.

@whyamidoingthis 👍

What why said

Wow, so the sky hasn’t fallen in after all.

Now did everyone spot the word 'possible' in the title?

Or actually read the op and note what needed to be done to avoid issues? Or pay attention to what is going on in the world and realise the agreement that was signed off prevented the potential issues? Much easier to be goady and use nonsense arguments to claim it was all project fear.

we won't be dictated to by a cabal of elite white men you might like it but the country has said no
Boris Johnson
Nigel Farage
Dominic Cummings
Rupert Murdoch
Lord Rothermere
The Barclay Twins
Zac Goldsmith
Ian Duncan Smith
Donald Trump

yup a nice mice of races and genders there

We have agreed to pay the divorce bill requested by the EU in full and to continue paying contributions until Dec 2020 even though we no longer have representation.

That is why the planes are still flying.

It would remind you of the millennium bug really. Ill informed people claiming it was all a hoax because they either choose not to inform themselves, or they are incapable of understanding, what was done to mitigate the potential disaster.