to warn of possible grounding of passenger flights and air freight from 29th March

[Clairetree1]

In order for any plane to take off or land in the UK from the 29th March, we need either

a) an agreement that we can still be included in the European aviation safety agreement, including agreeing to be bound by the European courts.

or

b) The UK civil aviation authority needs to set up its own safety agreement, write all its policies, establish it rules, negotiate with approximately 25 separate governments to come to an agreement that these rules are acceptable for planes flying into and out of their countries ( including the EU and USA), recruit and train several thousand staff, buy and adapt premises, put maintenance and safety procedures into action, to the satisfaction of said 25 governments, under go and pass international inspection and get underway.

My friend in civil aviation has been shouting louder and louder about this for over a year, as time ticks by and nothing whatsoever is done to make progress towards either a or b.

He tells me there was an article about this on the BBC website earlier, but it appears to have been taken down now, at least I can't find it.

Anybody prepared to buy air tickets for April 2019?

@MissSusan over 500k signatures! It's picking up.

"And when the planes fall out of the sky, rationing is reintroduced, Spenborough and Cleckheaton are burning and we are wiping our bums on rocks because we've run out of luxury EU loo roll, we will remember that you, Francine, modelled it for us first, via the medium of interpretive dance"

FrancinePefko42

Now you are being even more ridiculous, any family with a child called Perdita, is not going to driving a bloody Range Rover, get on board or ship out.

Now go an do your research on EASA and then com back.

"If you can't stop the signal increase the noise" I suppose.

"If you can't stop the signal increase the noise"

This, precisely.

jasjas1973
Francine hurry and answer the question!!! do i book flights to Mallorca next May or not? only 4 seats left at this price and i dont want to miss out? Or play it safe and a weeks BnB in Moreton on the Marsh?

You're still not quite appreciating the full magnitude of the HORROR that awaits you... Are you?

Look, friend, after BREXMAGEDDON there aren't going to be any more holidays. No more BnBs. No more Moreton. No more Marsh.

There will be nothing to take a holiday from! All your waking hours will be spent gathering nuts and berries. I only hope you have a man around who might be able to hunt for you. Does he know how to gut and skin rabbits?

is that the 'if you can't convince them - confuse them' tactic the british government spins at the moment?

MissSusanSays
If you get a chance, please do sign the Independent petition here:

www.change.org/p/theresa-may-mp-give-people-a-final-say-on-brexit-deal?recruiter=57963968&utm_source=share_petition&utm_medium=copylink&utm_campaign=share_petition

Yes indeed. If you don't have my talent in interpretive dance, poetry, mime and Mongolian throat singing, the second most productive way to channel your anxiety and anger is to sign a petition.

Sign it really, really hard.

These things make a big difference

"If you can't stop the signal increase the noise"

Again - just bear these wise words in mind (well said falcon) and remember that what you need to do is not contribute to the noise, but keep sending the signal.

(Actually I might re-post this on other threads, come to think of it).

Moreton on the Marsh

It’s Moreton in the Marsh. And I wouldn’t recommend it. Upper Slaughter is much nicer.

But do carry on.

Also, the petition now has 500,000 signatures. The backing of the NUS and a cross party selection on MPs. And is also authored and promoted by a major national newspaper.

So, gaining traction. Looks like going to 1 million by next week.

Don’t just sit back and accept this shambles because it is impolite to protest.

Theelements

It would fit perfectly on just about every thread on FWR

Clairetree1
Some german officials seem to be even hoping UK airspace will be shut down, as a lesson to anyone else thinking of exiting the EU.

Please add the link or reference to the "german officials" advocating this. I Googled but couldn't find. We should collaborate with them!!

And is also authored and promoted by a major national ON-LINE ONLY newspaper

FrancinePefko42

You do realise that people also read news online. Increasingly so, in fact.

Try not to be too threatened by people with different opinions. It terrible for the complexion.

It would fit perfectly on just about every thread on FWR

Agree Rufus

A bit more noise www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=58&v=Sx4AF-3Rd44

It’s Moreton in the Marsh. And I wouldn’t recommend it. Upper Slaughter is much nicer.

I live near Moreton. It's generally a large traffic jam, being at the intersection of two very busy trunk roads. Definitely avoid.

What a really great video PestymcPestFace

Really clear, expert opinions. Love it.

NameChangedAgain18

Yeah, not really a tourist town, is it. Nice market though. Parking can be a nightmare. I live nearish there too. I prefer Stow for shopping.

lostlemon you say you expect Thomas Cook and TUI etc to 'act' or go bust? What does that mean? In the end it comes down to insurance, if planes, facilities, ground handlers, pilots etc don't have recognized certification, insurance lapses and that is that. It's not about putting pressure on individual companies. I think it is also very naive, given the UK's inept handling of things so far, to say, it could never happen. No one willl want it to, but past a certain point it might be one of the unintended consequences of a disorderly exit. How fast do you think we can create our own air safety agency?

My dad was doing his A levels during the Cuban missile crisis. In that crisis there was a line where if the ships crossed it JFK was genuinely going to fire nukes at the soviet union. Do you know what my dad did while the ships were heading towards that line? Went to lessons, did his homework and carried on as usual - as did everyone else in the country. Just keep going and everything will be ok, but if it's not there's nothing you can do to change it so why worry?

It's Morton in Marsh. No 'the'in there.

@MissSusan Francine comes from the Upside Down of the internet (if you've not watched Stranger Things I recommend it, at least season1). Don't give her more light to feed on.

Well for an alternative view my Dad was in Uganda under Idi Amin and his words to me were "If you wait for the British government to tell you there's a problem you are in big problems".