to warn of possible grounding of passenger flights and air freight from 29th March

[Clairetree1]

In order for any plane to take off or land in the UK from the 29th March, we need either

a) an agreement that we can still be included in the European aviation safety agreement, including agreeing to be bound by the European courts.

or

b) The UK civil aviation authority needs to set up its own safety agreement, write all its policies, establish it rules, negotiate with approximately 25 separate governments to come to an agreement that these rules are acceptable for planes flying into and out of their countries ( including the EU and USA), recruit and train several thousand staff, buy and adapt premises, put maintenance and safety procedures into action, to the satisfaction of said 25 governments, under go and pass international inspection and get underway.

My friend in civil aviation has been shouting louder and louder about this for over a year, as time ticks by and nothing whatsoever is done to make progress towards either a or b.

He tells me there was an article about this on the BBC website earlier, but it appears to have been taken down now, at least I can't find it.

Anybody prepared to buy air tickets for April 2019?

It will be fiiiiine. You are panicking unnecessarily and making a fool of yourself. Remember y2k? That was all OK and no one did anything to prepare at all.

no, but I am intending to fly out and visit my partner purposely at the end of March, since if flights are going to be grounded and I won't be able to visit for ages, id rather get stuck out there than here!

International Air Travel Agreement?

clicky link to bbc article/reality check.

Not again.

You didn't look very hard, it's on the homepage!

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-45019603

yanbu
my employer has stopped all meetings involving international travel for march&april next year for that reason.

The EU27 have been discussing this for over a year.

I'm flying next April and had no qualms about booking and I'm a Remainer.

I'm booked out on March 31st, not concerned.

Worst case I get an impromptu day off!

stealth that is utter bollocks. A lot of people did a shit load of work to prepare for y2k....which is why there wasn't a massive disaster. I'm aware of several things that did give up the ghost, that night...because nobody cared enough about them to fix them. It was a real issue that was resolved by planning and hard work.

Turn it around, and every other country in the world will have to negotiate with the UK to use our airports and airspace. As we have one of the biggest hub airports in the world, with the best safety records, and excellent airline standards, I cannot feasibly imagine that everything is going to stop working. The world is run by commerce, not by governments, hopefully we can put our faith in them to sort it out.

hohum....I should really read to the end of the actual post...apologies stealth

We are flying in April. I'm not worried.

Oh gosh yes. I bet Theresa May hadn't thought of that !!

You forgot to mention the empty supermarket shelves in your idiotic scaremongering OP. Oh yes, and how about the poor people DYING because they can't get their medication??

For goodness sake. What is wrong with some people ?

Keep repeating 'we will be fine'
Well actually better than fine, but some will have to wait until we have finally left to realise that.

Erm, @M3lon I believe Stealth was being sarcastic (hence the at the bottom of her post) as this argument is blindly trotted out each time anyone comments on the potential issues caused by Brexit.

The Irish pm said we couldn't use their airspace.

Presume that means they won't want to be using ours then.

Honestly this really is a none story

Oh, cross post @M3lon

Turn it around, and every other country in the world will have to negotiate with the UK to use our airports and airspace. As we have one of the biggest hub airports in the world

Which a high percentage of EU destined imported food lands in before being shipped on.

Antigonads Yet they want the RAF to be defend them if necessary. Sorry, no airspace access, not possible!

I think one of two things is going to happen.

1. No deal=no planes flying until we cobble together a deal or series of deals
2. Extension agreement for a specific time period to allow us to get deals set up.

Probably, hopefully, 2 is more likely but I don't trust Theresa May/the government not to fuck up and crash us out with nothing. So I am worried about booking flights for a holiday before we know for sure - we're planning to go on holiday with PIL in July next year and I know they will want to book nice and early! However, that BBC article says that Ryanair is offering refunds if planes can't fly, so if all the airlines do that then I would be prepared to book.

We are not booking any holiday involving international flights after February next year for this reason (and wouldn’t use the channel tunnel either, if we lived within reasonable driving distance of it).

We have just spent July on a fly-drive holiday round Europe - that was probably a last hurrah to easy travel across borders for us, with our U.K. driving licences and no visas.

We did drive out of the EU as part of the trip, and crossing the border on the way back in was a lengthy process. There were miles (or I should say, km) of tailbacks as lorries and busses and passengers were being individually examined (no idea if this was part of a special search or was the norm). Even as a private car, it took us about 45min to go through the fastest “Eu passports only” lines.

Of course the EU won't care about this will they? None of those 27 care about all the money that the British spend on holidays to europe, about the business people from their countries that need to come to the UK. They can all afford to wave bye to all that money. Yet more scaremongering OP. This will be sorted you're being ridiculous.

I've just googled and found an article that claims the likes of Thomas Cook and TUI have changed their conditions to say that there won't be payouts if airspace is closed due to Brexit. Seems sensible then to not book any holidays/flights until you have checked the T&Cs.

If people stop booking then these companies will either act or go bust.

This will be sorted you're being ridiculous.

If so, great. Where's the official communication saying that post-Brexit flights are resolved, with detail? Oh yes, it doesn't exist.

I have faith that it will be sorted eventually. It's the 'eventually' bit that's bothering me - will it be sorted by 29 March?