to warn of possible grounding of passenger flights and air freight from 29th March

[Clairetree1]

In order for any plane to take off or land in the UK from the 29th March, we need either

a) an agreement that we can still be included in the European aviation safety agreement, including agreeing to be bound by the European courts.

or

b) The UK civil aviation authority needs to set up its own safety agreement, write all its policies, establish it rules, negotiate with approximately 25 separate governments to come to an agreement that these rules are acceptable for planes flying into and out of their countries ( including the EU and USA), recruit and train several thousand staff, buy and adapt premises, put maintenance and safety procedures into action, to the satisfaction of said 25 governments, under go and pass international inspection and get underway.

My friend in civil aviation has been shouting louder and louder about this for over a year, as time ticks by and nothing whatsoever is done to make progress towards either a or b.

He tells me there was an article about this on the BBC website earlier, but it appears to have been taken down now, at least I can't find it.

Anybody prepared to buy air tickets for April 2019?

Plus we're leaving the Passport Union, so UK passports won't be valid for a period of time after Brexit. I assume those making travel plans post 29/03/19 have other passports.

I wasn't aware of this, but since I live abroad it sounds like I need to be prepared for the possibility of not being able to travel temporarily.

Hope no one dies around that time.

LoveInTokyo I missed out the sarcasm face on the end of my post!

1/10

OkMaybeNot Apologies. It's really hard to tell the difference between sarcasm and genuine stupidity these days!

Have a look at this FT article

Based on the state of negotiations at the time of writing, British Airways, Virgin Atlantic, and Norwegian UK would not be able to avail of the deal the US are offering as they require majority ownership in one of the two countries (in this case USA and UK) party to the agreement. It hasn't been a problem for those airlines previously as they were part of the EU agreement so majority ownership needed to be in the EU or the USA.

This is a standard term the US has with all countries with which they have air services deals. How likely is it they will change it specifically for the UK? They certainly won't do it without major concessions on the part of the UK.

There is absolutely nothing in TUI's T&C regarding this, nada. Media scaremongering.

How about: 'Important Note – Events Beyond Our Control
Events beyond our control include but are not limited to: /../ any failure to secure relevant flying rights

Norfolk is very nice for a holiday.

So it seems like some people are sticking their fingers in their ear saying all will be fine while really they don't have a clue, they are just surmising. Some are taking the opposite approach and predicting chaos, disaster and an end to life as we know it. I am not convinced our government has this all in control but I have to hope that eventually all will be sorted. It is how long eventually will take that worries me. Needless to say we wont be booking any overseas holidays until I am convinced they have a plan.

How about: 'Important Note – Events Beyond Our Control

www.ft.com/content/4e3e150a-dfe0-11e7-a8a4-0a1e63a52f9c

Stop trying to promote fear

It will be fine.

That is pretty scary that some many updated their terms and conditions to include Brexit. Maybe they are scared. sulflower please learn to read. Thomas Cook T&C

According to this website airspace will be least of our worries - we'll be too weak to get to an airport what with no food and all having contracting resistant STD's.

@PolkerrisBeach - Rules will carry on as they are at present until the UK government decides to change them.

Problem is, the UK doesn't actually have deals specifying rules as all the deals are EU deals, which currently includes the UK. Once the UK leave, the EU deals will no longer be applicable to the UK as, you know, they won't actually be part of the EU.

Therefore, the UK need to come to deals to specify the rules between each and every country.

I think there is a worrying level of naivety amongst some posters who seem to underestimate the amount of work that needs to be done to ensure things continue seamlessly.

@SusannahL - Oh yes, and how about the poor people DYING because they can't get their medication??

The fact that multinational pharmaceutical companies feel it is necessary to stockpile supplies of insulin and other products in the UK in case imports are delayed (www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/sanofi-drug-stockpiling-no-deal-brexit-pharmaceutical-industry-a8472491.html) suggests that they have judged there to be a significant risk. They would not go to this expense if their analysts believed there was no risk of interruption to supplies.

I really can't understand why you trust the UK government to sort this. What evidence has the government ever shown of being competent? In my line of work we are currently in the position of possibly losing hundreds of thousands of pounds in income next year (nothing to do with EU exit) because the government announced a rule-change without considering knock-on effects and has refused for two years to respond to any requests for decisions that would at least allow us to make plans for how to manage the situation.

*Plus we're leaving the Passport Union, so UK passports won't be valid for a period of time after Brexit. I assume those making travel plans post 29/03/19 have other passports.

I wasn't aware of this, but since I live abroad it sounds like I need to be prepared for the possibility of not being able to travel temporarily.

Hope no one dies around that time.*

Oh FFS. Stop spreading fake news!!!!!!

To save the taxpayer money, the newly designed passports will be introduced in a phased approach.

After the UK leaves the EU, burgundy passports will continue to be issued but with no reference to the European Union.

New blue and gold passports will be issued from October 2019, when the new passport contract begins, to those renewing or applying for a new passport.

There is no need for British passport holders to do anything ahead of their current passport renewal date.

Thats from the government website ^

Did you actually read the linked article, fanfan18? Because what you've posted is completely irrelevant to what's raised in there.

Cornishclio

I think there are three possible outcomes:

1. Brexit in name only, right at the last minute.

1. Government realises they're up shit creek without a paddle and manages to negotiate an extension to sort things out. (Possibly in conjunction with a snap election and change of government.)

1. We leave with no deal and planes genuinely are grounded for a while. I don't think it would last very long but even a few days would cause enormous damage to the economy. Especially when combined with the economic damage to all kinds of other sectors in a no deal scenario.

The one thing I don't believe will happen is that we will negotiate proper new deals covering all these issues before the end of March.

fanfan18

I don't give a shiny shit what colour my passport is. I care about whether it actually allows me to travel to other countries.

FFS.

Did you actually read the linked article, fanfan18? Because what you've posted is completely irrelevant to what's raised in there.

Shockingly I skimmed the EU-Remain biased website that was posted. That's the same as me trying to make a political point and posting a Daily Mail link. No thanks.

I don't think some of you will be happy until we actually are living in some apocalyptic world and you can all say "Ha, we were right!"

@loveintokyo

You can still use your sodding passport.

I'll buy you a flight to Malaga for the 1st April and you can send me a postcard :)

So you didn't then. Just as I thought.

If a deal is struck, we get to still use passports. EU draft deal if we end up with no deal - then our passports will only be valid if the EU takes pity on us.