Any remainers here who don't think civilisation is about to collapse?

[Bloodylovepotatoes]

Die hard remainer here. Was gutted with referendum result, but I think it'll probably be a bit crap after for a while, then it'll level out and basically be fine. Don't think society will collapse.

Apparently this is a very unpopular opinion and either I should be a defiant leaver saying all will be wonderful and we'll have our sovereignty back and our blue passports and all those nasty foreigners will be gone, or I should be boarding up all my doors and windows and preparing myself for economic collapse and societal disintegration?

Is there no one like me?! No middle ground????

I really can't bring myself to feel sorry for David Cameron!

He looks much happier as a result. Why is it that the rich and powerful benefit most from Brexit?

If

OP
Read and weep
www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1534286/12000-mile-trip-to-have-seafood-shelled.html

Accepted he is the only job casualty Captain I would have preferred for him to stay and see it through, but he took the easy route and parachuted into his shed in the garden and has been there ever since keeping his head down. He looks happy because he passed the shitstorm on to a very old foe TM.

mine that is just awful.

Captainkirks
Yes, its a big "if"
but the only way to avoid those scenarios is to stay inside the customs union = BINO
which is currently well beyond the whim of the government

Ta1kinpeace Yes when you read articles like that, it makes you truly wonder wtf is going on full stop.

Gobsmacking that it's cheaper to send the shipment to Thailand

Ta1kinpeace how is staying in the customs union going to work though? Barnier made it clear that all four freedoms need to remain in place. Do you think they move from that position?

Canada style deal more likely now.

Yes, potatoes. It's because food retail is a low-margin business, so supply chains move around a lot to keep prices low.

The UK hasn't had a food security policy for over a decade, in spite of various people (oh okay, "experts") making the case for one. This report from last year ago is interesting, especially once you get into the detail of how UK food production and imports/exports work and what kinds of decisions the government should have started making at the start of this whole process:

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Apologies, that link didn't work. Here it is:

www.sussex.ac.uk/spru/newsandevents/2017/publications/food-brexit

I was a Remainer but I'm sick of the hysteria on here. What can we do about it all anyway. We farmers are worried about Brexit but maybe this will make people aware about where their food comes from.

rossini
how is staying in the customs union going to work though?
Same as it does now
Barnier made it clear that all four freedoms need to remain in place.
Yup, and they need to as the UK is running low on able bodied workers without immigration
Do you think they move from that position?
No, why would they.

Canada style deal more likely now.
All Canadian goods have to clear customs. Not a lot of lettuce is imported from Canada. It would be a disaster for the food supply chain.

I have a friend who is working (high up) on the food and supply contracts part of brexit for the government . to cut a long story short general opinion on it was "we're fine, plenty of deals already arranged to keep us moving and government are not worried in the slightest about shortages. ,"
hopefully hes right.

What can we do about it all anyway
Have you told your MP that you want Brexit reversed, or at least to not lose you money?
I have. And I watch how he votes.

I don't think civilisation will end. I do think there will probably be hiccups (at the very least) in trade, some job losses, price rices, and a fall in the value of pound. Not the same thing, but depressing enough in my opinion.

I've lived in the UK all my adult life, and our plan is to keep living here. I don't really have the mental strength to start thinking about relocating, when we're finally settled where we are. DH isn't worried about his job, he says, but I am (and my wages will never pay the mortgage), as it's a multinational corporation that could easily just decide to bring to end its UK contracts and focus its efforts elsewhere. DH might, of course, find another job in the UK, but how many will there be going?

We've reluctantly made some back up plans wrt moving away from the UK, if for whatever reason our lives become too difficult, or the current plans for EU citizens like me change. I really really hope it won't come to it, and don't particularly think that it will. But it's always good to plan.

In the meantime I'm getting some basics in. Not just for Brexit, but because I've taken stock and realised we're not very well prepared for other possibilities that might mean we might need it (weather, ill health etc).

That's worrying reading especially for those in Northern Ireland. We'll survive without halloumi and chorizo but there's lots having to depend on food banks already. How will the nation cope if there's a 22% price rise in food?

Ta1kin I envisage a 'soft' Brexit. I don't see the government being able to get a suitable agreement to stay in the customs union sadly. I can't claim to be very knowledgable tbh. I think we will come out of it very badly. I thought they'd stopped talking about No deal being better than a bad deal? Is that not correct?

Ta1kinpeace So what what do we say to all those that voted to leave? All 17 million of them. I voted remain, but I don't support erasing the other side or what they voted for. If nothing at all changes, then I would be concerned about the consequences, which may make a few food shortages look like a walk in the park. We could end up with a civil war.

The leavers I know would never ever accept us just staying as we are. No matter how much I would prefer it.

Have you told your MP that you want Brexit reversed, or at least to not lose you money?
I have. And I watch how he votes

More than one person has asked our local Tory MP for clarification on the Internet. He always tows the party line and will not publicly answer Brexit related questions like whether or not we should be stockpiling and what actions he and his colleagues are taking to prevent chaos. His will only say that the country voted to Leave.

rainingcatsanddog Where did you see 22% rise?

So what what do we say to all those that voted to leave?
Point out to them that the stuff they are angry about lies at the door of Whitehall not Brussels.

TBH statistically, those who voted leave will suffer the worst if the UK leaves the Customs Union
a few honest politicians would be nice

and less newspapers owned by tax dodging non domiciled foreigners

I'm less spooked about it all to be honest, capitalism always finds a way to make money. I'm dreading needing a visa for short trips to Europe, but that may not happen.

Hang on. Why is a well-researched report into UK food security dismissed and stockpiling viewed as extreme, but going for anything other than a No Deal Brexit is likely to start a "civil war?"

My inlaws voted leave for the NHS investment promise and because they thought it would mean better jobs in the future for their grandchildren. They are not going to be going to war if NHS funding is protected and the economy recovers from the 2008 crash.

Ta1kinpeace I would like to think you are correct in your thinking that it would be as simple as just telling them their vote is worthless and it is all lies, but I fear you are underestimating the sheer anger and feeling behind their votes. No government would ever dare to totally ignore the referendum.

Those that voted leave may well suffer, but many are happy to suffer for the cause it seems.