Is there any way Brexit can be stopped?

[Electrascoffee]

I think there will be more civil unrest if it goes ahead than if it doesn't.

At this point, what can we do to stop it happening? People are going to die. And all because of the hubris of David Cameron and racism.

Brexit cannot and will not be stopped. It is what the people voted for. Who on Earth do you think you are to tell the majority what to do?

There will be no second referendum, or 'people's vote' as remainers have tried to rebrand it, and despite what a few senile law lords seem to think, the first one was binding. You will have noticed Parliament treated it as binding when they voted to trigger Article 50 by a majority of nearly 400.

You frightened, embittered remainers would be far better off adjusting to reality rather than keep on demanding a rematch for battle you lost.

Brexit cannot and will not be stopped. It is what the people voted for.

Nobody has got a fucking clue what the people voted for.

The people were told that leaving would be easy, that things would be better, that we would still have full access to the single market, and that we would have an extra £350m a week to fund the NHS spend on whatever we wanted.

None of that is happening.

Instead we're now being told to expect the exact same catastrophes that the remain campaign predicted and the leave campaign dismissed as "project fear", but that we have to go through with it because it's "the will of the people".

Nobody, but nobody voted to become poorer.

And nobody, not even "project fear" was talking about the need to stockpile food in case we crash out without a deal. If they had, probably even the remainers would have dismissed that as hysteria. And yet, that is what we are being told - by the government - to plan for.

The reality is turning out to be worse than "project fear".

At what stage does a mandate run out? Or is the Referendum cast in stone for all time? It hasn't been in Ireland, and they are a country who know how to conduct Referendums.

Government have announced this morning that there won’t be a further Brexit referendum under any circumstances.

Of course that's what they're saying.

So even if a majority of the people want a second referendum or are unhappy with how things are turning out, they don't give a shit because ultimately this was about taking back control for the Tories and their rich friends, not for the British people.

It's nothing but a massive power grab disguised as "democracy" and I am disappointed (but not especially surprised) that so few people have cottoned on to this.

Government have announced this morning that there won’t be a further Brexit referendum under any circumstances.

Linky?

During the campaign, both sides did not conduct themselves well (similar to any General Election). We had the vote; the majority voted to leave. Both sides have done nothing but criticize each other since then. This has wasted a huge amount of time - both sides are equally at fault.

Getting what the Uk want from the EU is going to be difficult as the EU hold all the cards.

Yes, a number of the people driving for a "no deal" Brexit are on the record saying that the UK needs to get rid of the postwar welfare state, including the NHS. They don't want higher welfare standards for animals, they want to trouser as much cash as they can!

They've wanted to do this for 30+ years - they are not going to give us an out now.

Too right Peregrina the Irish do know how to run referenda and well quite clearly don't.

The democratic deficit that Brexiters love going on about in relation to the EU is clear in regards to the EU referendum. It was badly organised, ill thought out and had no safeguards.

We need a proper referendum with clear margins, a focused question and judicial agreement and oversight prior to it being held.

During the campaign, both sides did not conduct themselves well (similar to any General Election). We had the vote; the majority voted to leave. Both sides have done nothing but criticize each other since then. This has wasted a huge amount of time - both sides are equally at fault.

The remain side ran a crap campaign, but it is completely disingenuous to suggest that the level of bullshit was the same on both sides.

Much of what "project fear" warned about is now coming true (in fact I'd go so far as to say they underestimated the scale of the damage) and pretty much nothing "project unicorn" promised is actually going to be delivered.

Government have announced this morning that there won’t be a further Brexit referendum under any circumstances

The UK’s fate is sealed. Start prepping for shortages and civil unrest. At least there is time to get organized before it kicks off.

LoveInTokyo

The remain side ran a crap campaign, but it is completely disingenuous to suggest that the level of bullshit was the same on both sides.

Maybe if the remain camp had stuck to the "facts" and did less name calling then they would have a moral leg to stand on.

Given that the Leave campaign has been found to be actually breaking the law and intentionally spreading disinformation, I'm not sure that even a little namecalling (from the official Remain campaign? Really?) quite measures up.

And did the leave campaign stick to the "facts"?

No, they didn't consider themselves constrained by reality in any way at all.

So their campaign was based entirely on (a) lies about the current position regarding our EU membership, and (b) utter fantasies about what would be possible if we voted to leave.

The majority have voted to leave = we are leaving (I’m not entitled to vote but am not sure which way I would have voted if I’d a vote).

Sure, we can leave. But there were a few different ways to leave, and we picked the most damaging one. Why IS that?

The majority have voted to leave = we are leaving

This is not good enough.

We have had more than two years of the government fannying about since the referendum and now it looks like we're in danger of crashing out with no deal.

Parliament has a responsibility towards every single one of the 60 million people living in the UK, not just the 17 million who voted leave. It's time for them to grow some balls and say we cannot allow the country to just hurl itself off a cliff like this because it's what some of the people voted for. They need to take some fucking responsibility.

Parker there definitely won't be another Brexit referendum.

What will happen is that the UK government will beg the EU to allow them to stay in the customs unit and single currency for a period of time to smoothen the transition.

Then the UK government will pretend they never asked to leave and clowns like Boris & Rees Mogg or whatever his name is will take a shower together and come out and act like the last 2 years never happened.

Sure, we can leave. But there were a few different ways to leave, and we picked the most damaging one. Why IS that?

But as the EU have constantly said, we are either IN or OUT. There are four freedoms to EU membership. It's all or nothing - there are no opportunities to pick and choose.

We could join the EEA and be like Norway.

That is a way of leaving the EU without completely fucking up the country for the next 50 years.

I am much more pessimistic - Mogg and Johnson will have an interest in the chaos and disorder that may follow the car crash.

But why the actual fuck are we letting a handful of twats destroy the country like this?

Only a fool would have an interest in chaos and disorder, oh wait ...

Both Labour and Conservative have a lot to answer for, as they let UKIP continue to grow without taking it seriously for many years. It was only when UKIP got frighteningly large did the Tories adjust to attract UKIP voters. Meanwhile, the UK presence in the European Parliament has been effectively poisoned by 20, yes 20, UKIP MEPs behaving rudely and destructively. Again, Labour and Conservative have a lot to answer for here. If all UK MEPs had pulled together we could have lobbied other EU nations and achieved lots of reasonable objectives. It's the old British story of party politics trumping national interests. Our friends on the European mainland look on in disbelief at the way we completely waste our latent power.

It's as well to remember that UKIP isn't really a political party worthy of the name. It has no coherent policies except get out of Europe and it attracts ignorant activists who hold views that just don't hold up to any form of analysis. Who popped up with Trump the day after he was elected? Farage, who went on to ask Trump to ask Mrs May to make him Foreign Secretary. Delusional twerp.

and we picked the most damaging one.

We did not pick anything. Theresa May and her two unelected advisers picked the option which would satisfy the extreme right wing of her party. What the public wants is now neither here nor there. The public are rightly expressing concern particularly about the supply of medicines, but we aren't hearing much about 'the will of the people' on this issue, are we?