Thread for Brexit supporters

[Maidsrus]

Aren’t you sick of remainders rants? Here’s your chance to tell us the good stuff we’ve got to look forward to...

Exactly twofingers

From day one TM has ruled out staying in SM/CU and that's what has caused all the animosity.

The Leave campaign did not say we'd leave SM/CU, quite the opposite.

Putting up such a great big barrier has spectacularly backfired because it was always pointless.

We'll remain in SM/CU because it's the only workable option.

And the underlying issues at Whitehall will still be ignored

They also came out with all that shit about 'foreign born workers' at their first conference after the referendum, which smacked of them jumping onto the more extreme Farage-style anti-immigration train. This stoked further division at a time when the country needed to be 'healed' (for want of a better word).

And the underlying issues at Whitehall will still be ignored

Again, with our FPTP system, the government can get away with murder. They have no motivation to change whatsoever.

Well I’m completely confused about what Brexit means to brexiteers now - I’ve never heard that leave campaign wanted to stay in the customs union

@Maidsrus , me neither.

Examples of Leave campaign saying we'd stay in SM/CU

I agree it's a ridiculous concept as leaving always should have meant properly leaving, but it was more cake and eat it nonsense.

Thank you for that link, Bearb!! I knew I'd heard all those things come out of those people's mouths. I so badly wanted someone to assemble the clips & quotes.

Guardian has a good Brexit podcast (Remain biased, I suppose).
5Live has a good Brexit podcast (for those needing a nervous laugh).

Where DO Brexiters hang out & discuss the wonderful future? I only want to lurk, honest. Trying to understand what in the world appeal they see.

maidsrus
For a lot of people outside London, Brexit was the chance to tell Cameron and co that their metropolitan, citizen of the world view was unacceptable.
I know people who thought that Brexit would bring back the empire
others who thought the immigrants would go home and unskilled wages would double overnight

Brexit was / is a thought construct, not something tangible

hence why two years down the line I find it so frustrating that those who support it are so unwilling to make tangible what they actually want.

Transition period: this is part of the whole deal. We only get transition (29.3.19-31.12.20) IF the whole deal is agreed.

No deal = No Transition. That's the cliff edge.

So there has to be a deal or complete and utter chaos. That’s what MPs will have the chance to vote in at the final hour. Hobson’s choice

Yes ta1kinpeace it’s very frustrating, there don’t even seem to be many leavers willing to speak up. There’s no cohesive view so how can MPs be blamed (I even feel slightly sorry for DC who made a monumental error but would never have thought it could happen)

Unless and until Leavers get to this thread and calmly and intelligently, with backed up information, explain to us how Brexit will benefit us, it will turn into a Remainers thread once again, putting it up to Brexiteers really.

So over to you Brexit people, be clear and concise and tell us all what sunny uplands await us all.

It will either be a no deal and no transition or an EEA style deal.

Well one thing is for sure, Jacob Rees Mogg thinks it will be fantastic for everyone, but will take about fifty years to achieve. He won't have to worry about that will he! Neither did he explain his reasoning either. 1 nil.

The vast majority of Leavers on here have always been of the opinion that their work was done as soon as they'd put their cross on the ballot paper.

They neither knew nor cared how it could be executed in reality.

And that still hasn't changed.

I thought this was a thread for leave voters - not YET ANOTHER remain voters rant at those who disagree with them
just give it a rest please - you are influencing no-one, changing no opinions and making yourself look vindictive because the vote did not go your way.

drearydeardre
Leave supporters with tangible comments about what they hope for and expect are more than welcome.

The regular gang of leave supporters keep telling me they post such stuff regularly, but will not say when and where

I'd LIKE to see positive ideas for how brexit will work
as we seem to be stuck with it

Ah well I tried. I’ve heard nothing tangible. Nothing that gives me hope. Makes me very sad. And still pretty angry.

It doesn't exist maidrus

Leavers will use every diversion tactic in the book to try and tell us it's Remainers fault they don't answer but has never and still doesn't wash.

If there was any tangible upside of leaving they'd be shouting it from the roof tops, if only to say 'I told you so'

The reality is, they have t got a fucking clue beyond 'it feels like a good thing to do'

I ask my "name three things" question all over
and none of them will answer
because they do not know what they want
which pretty much guarantees that they will be unhappy with any and every outcome

Well I’m completely confused about what Brexit means to brexiteers now - I’ve never heard that leave campaign wanted to stay in the customs union

I don't think any Brexiters want to stay in the Customs Union.

That's the one thing that the Brexiters don't want.

No Brexiters on this thread have suggested that they want that have they?

No daisy Brexiters want to leave CU but still retain all the benefits.

You call it leaving.

Everyone else calls it trying to have their cake and eat it.

worth a read
www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/jul/28/dcms-committee-report-finds-truth-fake-news-facebook-brexit

DaisyTwirl
What - for you - are the up sides of leaving the EU and the Customs Union?
What difference will those changes make to your life?

Ooh! I found (May 2018): a useful thread on Quora..

The Brexit supporters say Brexit means that (Britain can...)

Make (many!) better trade deals
Import stuff cheaper, set own tariffs, more spot-protectionism target industries
Not pay money to EU & spend it on something better
Control immigration better/more
Change regulations (they usually mean reduce regulation)
No deferring to outside powers about law making, including on tax
Have More direct democracy
"Focus" on trade with non-EU partners
Avoid political integration with EU-27
Avoid being part of EU Army
Have some vague gain about independent identity

All sounds familiar... and for me still patently very false (I don't think any of those simple gains will happen or can happen). Alas. :(

lljkk
So still nothing tangible on a day to day basis that people will be able to measure in their own lives ....
(as against my more expensive strawberries and car parts)
so nothing that can be proven to have happened
so the angry will stay angry
great

The clips of Farage and Chums talking about Norway were talking about the Single Market and Schengen. Norway isn't in the Customs Union - hence border checks, and IMO by definition a border with any sort of check is not frictionless, even if it's just a bored man in a hut beside a barrier.

Not being a leaver I didn't feel qualified to join the thread. What you would hope to see was something like 'My hospital wanted to recruit 10 nurses from India, and the Home Office couldn't have been more obliging with granting them visas'. Not seen anything like that yet but maybe the HO is too dysfunctional now to do anything.