Thread for Brexit supporters

[Maidsrus]

Aren’t you sick of remainders rants? Here’s your chance to tell us the good stuff we’ve got to look forward to...

Democracy was the reason for my vote.

Tony Benn:

whitewednesday.wordpress.com/2015/06/05/tony-benn-on-democracy-and-the-eu-20th-november-1991/

Good post Chink. Democracy. Increased interest in our own parliament. Less voter apathy.

Thanks guys, I’m so excited to survive on the tinned food the government are stockpiling for us. And I can’t wait to run out of the medication that helps me function.

Nice one.

Yes I can see the attractiveness of us having full autonomy in decisions that govern our country. What a great speech that was from Tony Benn.

But the UK first past the post system still doesn’t give us true democracy. And with the cabinet and whips we are still essentially governed by elite individuals that we didn’t directly elect. Many individuals would say that the UK government doesn’t represent them (Scotland, Wales, people in the north of England).

On the other hand, practically there are a lot of benefits to making central decisions that apply to all rather than deciding what we want individually. So we lose some autonomy, but gain in the efficiency of standardisation of products, in collectively working towards common goals (eg in improvement of environment, treatment of workers, social justice), in being able to buy what you want without different tax rules and paperwork.

I understand why British politicians have fought for not too much power to go to the EU.

But I still think it’s better than the alternative.

Thank you chickaxa for taking the time to post :) I admire your optimism and hope you’re right.

Sorry, chickaxe

I voted remain. I have no reason to think that anyone who voted leave is racist, stupid, or anything else previous posters have mentioned. I'm sure everyone had their reasons for voting the way they did. I can see the arguments on both sides & personally I didn't wholly disagree with the arguments behind the entire leave campaign. This referendum, flawed it may have been, was a democratic process.

And like Chickaxe has pointed out, it's about time the populace woke up & realised they need to think about what they really want, & what / who they are voting for. So called "protest votes" should not be an option. Frankly I think we should have an option to vote RON / NOTA if we don't like any of the choices, rather than just wasting our vote or risk it being miscounted.

I think we could actually see more voter apathy, particularly from the young. Given how close the vote was, over the past two years there's been no attempt to find a solution that would suit the whole country, or even any acknowledgement that the non-37% exists. Instead, we've witnessed the government being led by a handful of 'hard' brexiteers while parroting 'the people have spoken'.

Most young people voted to remain. Why would they ever bother to vote again when their voice has been so comprehensively ignored? Someone's already mentioned our FPTP system as being at fault in terms of leaving large swathes of the voting public feeling unrepresented. Brexit seems to have magnified this. I feel there is literally nobody in politics who represents my views. Our local MP does not respond to letters/agree to meetings. I feel I'll have little option but to spoil my paper at the next election, but how many people will go to the polling station to do that? Most will just stay at home. I think our low level of political engagement will get a whole lot worse.

I agree with you twofingers that the 48 million people in this country who did not vote leave in 2016 have been totally ignored, but we must not give up. Remember-

The Only Thing Necessary for the Triumph of Evil is that Good People Do Nothing

I love to read people being optimistic. I really want to be wrong on this because it would be better for my daughter's future.
But, for her sake and for my peace of mind, I have back up plans to keep us fed.
Doesn't everyone try to be optimistic but have a plan for things going wrong (even in the short term)? Don't you have house insurance? Don't you have a torch in a handy place? Don't you have emergency numbers in your phone. This is the normal "peace of mind " stuff you do while you're getting on with your life.
Is it sooooo awful to have a few extra bits in? Really?

The majority of people that were bothered enough to vote did so and delivered a majority to leave

That voting system is quite clear and for the apathetic that dont vote dont whinge about the outcome

There is lots of arguing to and fro which just doesnt seem to get anywhere

Nobody is that naive to think that if we left it would all be super smooth from there on in .IMO i think that a silent majority gave the metroplolitans a bloody nose as they thought they were being ignored

The remainers had their opportunity to vote labour at the 2017 election but could not get sufficient numbers to get past the post

By the time any leave deal get put through it will be so full of concessions and holes it wont be worth the paper it is written on

The french seem to have it both ways , happy for eu benefits but happy to flick two fingers to any they dont

Labour is not the home for Remainers. I wouldn't vote for that shower of bastards.

The Only Thing Necessary for the Triumph of Evil is that Good People Do Nothing

So, the Leave vote is EVIL? as opposed to just being a legitimate democratic voting choice?

Everything that is wrong with this "debate" summed up by the bolded sentence.

Sending the country into a mess is pretty evil. Making a large number of people feel (rightly or wrongly) that the country is heading for No Deal just to look tough in negotiations- not so sure that's lovely either.

The leave vote was not legitimate. It was based on lies, voters were misled by the rightwing tabloids and manipulated by online "data harvesters". The Leave compaign has been proved to have cheated in many ways. There is nothing remotely legitimate about it. No-one suggests that all leave voters were evil or stupid but they were manipulated. There is no other word for the evil shady forces who brought about this vote.

We should not just stand by and let this ruin our children's future.

Exercising the democratic right to vote in opposition to Remain is not evil.

But it suits many (though not all) Remainers to paint it as such because it then allows them to take "the moral high ground" and denigrate all those who voted accordingly with all manner of derogatory epithets with gleeful abandon. It also frees them from having to take the time to understand WHY others voted that way.

Win, win for Remain! Huzzah!

But not an adult way to behave.

And not solving anything either.

I am anxious, part of the reason I voted Remain is because nobody seemed to have any idea what Brexit would look like. The current information is not making me feel confident either.

My preference is that we push push push for some kind of deal rather than no deal at all. I do t think we will have the major disasters I am hearing predicted but suspect enough issues for some unrest if people feel pressured by lack of resources.

I don’t think it will be plain sailing but long term it will be okay.

Crazy to be distracted by the "evil" quote. It's a famous quote that , in my view, wasn't helpfully used. But if you want to carry on indulging a sense of grievance, go ahead.
I don't think Leave voters are evil. Of course I bloody don't. Nor do I think the vote was evil.
Ridiculous. Foolish. Naive. All those things.
Carry on being optimistic. Goodness knows we all need it. We also need to be realistic and practical.

billysboy interesting you mention the French. If the EU works for them then why not for the UK? Maybe with more engagement (rather than less) there could be better outcomes for the country. Being a team player should yield more results.

As for positive thinking- yes, a constructive attitude is thoroughly needed but it should not mean sticking our heads in the sand.

Nobody is that naive to think that if we left it would all be super smooth from there on in .IMO i think that a silent majority gave the metroplolitans a bloody nose as they thought they were being ignored

Spot on, though perhaps not a silent majority but enough to swing it, i remember IDS just before the result was announced beaming away as he was told a large social housing estate (up north) had a very high turn out, he knew that there are plenty out there who rarely vote, who d kick against the establishment.

Whose nose gets the bloodiest in economic difficulties ?

A lot of the things that people were rightly angry about and thus drove the London / non London part of the vote are actually squarely at Whitehall's door.

I suspect that is why the Brexiteers who still post are so unwilling to state the changes they expect to see
because they realise that those changes could have happened within the EU

Free trade deals are not a panacea.
They are a massive set of compromises.
something that the cheerleaders for Brexit try to deny.

@bellinisurge

Who cares? i could nt give a fcuk what happens to the poor anymore, which is a direct result of Brexit, because i used too.

I didn’t vote leave, but I would also be interested to hear from anyone who’s happy with how things are panning out and why.

The OP says on this thread:
"So I’m open minded enough to hear some potentially good news about it."

The OP also says (on another thread):
"For the rest of you idiot brexiteers. Not me, I’ll be ok thanks"

Not so 'open minded' after all, it seems.
Just another disingenuous thread designed to identify leave supporters so the militant remainers can pile, on as per usual.