Thread for Brexit supporters

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Aren’t you sick of remainders rants? Here’s your chance to tell us the good stuff we’ve got to look forward to...

DAisytwirl
But are you happy with how its going?
Would you be happy with BINO?
Do you think that any of the Brexit options will cure the social issues in the UK that drove the vote ?
(housing, jobs, transport, education, healthcare, austerity, inequality, self serving elites)

Exactly DaisyTwirl

How many times do they want to interrogate the same 3 or 4 leavers?
It’s beyond a joke.

Looking forward to re- opening the original Brexit Arms next March though

I don’t see that the two posts are necessarily mutually exclusive. Perhaps the OP has since developed an interest in people’s reasons for voting the way they did. Perhaps she just got frustrated and lost her temper. Perhaps she was joking. I have no idea as I’ve not seen the post in context.

You seem very keen to shut down any discussion on this subject. We get it - you don’t wish to take part. Fine; just ignore the thread.

Ah, surfer you could not stay away.
Glad to see you coming up with constructive ideas as usual.

Talkinpeace, I've said numerous times on MN since the Ref that I'd be ok with EFTA + EEA + FTA.

I'm a Brexiter, I want a clean brexit.
But I am also a realist, who recognises both the complexity of leaving & the 48%.

Brexit has been fucked up by politicians on both sides of the result, and by all parties.
They remainers should have accepted the result & both sides (leave/Remain & govt/opposition) should have come together to work to achieve a solution. They didn't.
The leavers should have accepted that a clean brexit was not ever going to be accepted by remainers & should have been open to compromise.
They weren't.

Both leave & remain extremists have now poisoned the option of EFTA/EEA/FTA as a solution; by spinning it as BINO it pisses off remainers & leavers alike:
remainers (why bother leaving at all?)
Leavers (it's not actually Brexit)

The blame for the shambles that we are in now lies at the feet of the extremists on both sides, and the continuing abuse helps no-one.

Thank you Daisy. I agree with you.

You seem very keen to shut down any discussion on this subject. We get it - you don’t wish to take part. Fine; just ignore the thread.

Xpost talkin.
I tried to engage in my last post.
I'm bored of the pile-ons & abuse towards Brexiters on MN - it achieves nothing, that's why I & others don't bother anymore.

If there was less vitriol then leavers would engage, but it has been shown again & again that certain MN remain posters just can't help themselves.

Xpost again 🙄
Sorry!

I think a lot of the blame for the current situation lies with Mrs May and the approach she took in the early days post ref. The language she used was combative and dismissive and her red lines appeared unachievable.

Who cares? i could nt give a fcuk what happens to the poor anymore, which is a direct result of Brexit, because i used too.

Would you mind explaining that statement? It reads like you would only care about poor people's welfare if the majority of them agreed with your politics. Are you really that breathtakingly and nastily self-centred, or am I misinterpreting you?

and her red lines appeared unachievable.

They didn't 'appear' uncheiveable, they 'were' unachievable- that's why we're in this mess now.

Leavers have been promised the impossible and despite Brexit being dumbed down to BINO, they are still ranting about how great it's going to be, even though it's blindingly obvious it's an expensive waste of time and money, all for the pleasure of being in a worse position than we were before.

despite Brexit being dumbed down to BINO, they are still ranting about how great it's going to be, even though it's blindingly obvious it's an expensive waste of time and money, all for the pleasure of being in a worse position than we were before.

Perfect example of how the extreme discourse benefits no one.

"Dumbed down to BINO"
"Worse position than we were before"

If you accept anything less than full Brexit or full remain, you are accepting a 'dumbed down version' which will leave us in a 'worse position than we were before'- this only serves to harden the resolve of both Brexiters and remainers, resulting in neither side being prepared to accept a compromise.

If people stopped peddling this sort of poisonous spin then we'd be in a better place.
EEA/EFTA/FTA is a soft Brexit, but it's still brexit.
It's a compromise that could be sold to the moderate majority.
Sadly, the extremists on both sides are making this option toxic.

I dont care because there is nothing anymore i can do about their plight, i have became apathetic!
I used to believe that ALL Governments wanted a better more equitable society, the decision to have the vote, then the subsequent division and the utter economic mess that Brexit will cause ie JRM believes it ll be 50 years! shows that the prime brexit politicians are not interested in the poor (or anyone else)

You have taught me a good lesson daisy. Don’t post after red wine! And yes I was having an angry moment. The previous referendum thread went off on a tangent about Y2K which is so not like Brexit, and I was trying to continue the thread, just not very well

But I still don’t feel that there is anything good to look forward to as a result of Brexit.

There are a number of countries that are in Europe but not in the EU and there are none that I particularly would want the UK to be like.

I would really like to feel more positive about it but I can only see a very turbulent and difficult short term, longer austerity in the medium term because we still have a huge debt problem which is likely to take us longer to pay off, for maybe a better life in 15 years time.

So in the long term we won’t have freedom of movement, access to the EU workforce to do the jobs British people don’t apply for, or tariff free trade, where (god forbid) there might be difficulties in Ireland again, where Scotland hate England more than ever. But we’ll be able to eat all our fish because the EU won’t buy them. What else is going to be so good?

We won’t have as many regulations so can dumb down on health and safety, workers rights, is that what we want to be like? It will make us produce more stuff that we can export cheaply? How cheap will it need to be to export with the tariffs? If we dump all our waste and stop being green will that make us cheaper?

Or do we have the skills in our workforce for high quality stuff that the rest of the world will want to buy? Really? I think we do have lots of fabulous niche products but do we have enough? How are we going to make our money? How will we compete? The City of London makes huge amounts of money that we all benefit from, will that be able to continue?

I may be lacking in imagination - I’m thinking about it much more this week as I’m not working but I haven’t read all there is to read on the subject. So yes - I really would like to be enlightened!

Bear I was trying to extend an olive branch (probably rather clumsily - knowing me the olive branch would accidentally hit someone on the head, who would put their arms up to protect themselves and knock me over, into a pile of steaming cow shit).

I would far rather we remain as an EU member state, but I don’t think it’s possible now. Yes, we believe that what we’ll end up with is far inferior to the status quo but the 52% cannot and should not be ignored. I think the sovereignty issue is twaddle, but many don’t and it’s their country too.

(Runs for cover)

Are you really that breathtakingly and nastily self-centred, or am I misinterpreting you?

I'm guessing pp means when turkeys vote for Christmas in March they can't muster too much sympathy.

I didn't vote, then after the result I thought brexit may be a good thing, now its 6 months away and I have absolutely zero idea how I'm going to import EU stock for my business. I'd say right now I fall into the "optimistic with a cupboard under the sink filled with UHT and heinz beans & sausage" category.

I've had a read through the westminster thread but it seems like quite a lot of hysteria and the odd tweet from a nobody. I'd really like to have read some of the leave sides debate, as I'm genuinely open minded.

I work in the aerospace industry so I have a better than most idea how these things work and to be honest that is a concern right now. The government are really going to have pull a golden rabbit out of the hat pronto, or else push back the leave date considerably (in my opinion, of course).

This reminds me a bit of foxhunting debate

The hunts keep trying to get the law reversed spending a lot of time and money

The rspca and the antis keep trying to catch the hunts chasing foxes spending a lot of time and money

While the Gamekeepers shoot the shit out of anything that moves , just for a bit of sport

Brexit will have a huge cost and maybe a long term benefit or not for both sides been better to stay where we were and spend the money on increasing NHS nurses salaries etc for eg to make the job more attractive to our workshy entitled youngsters than dick around with something that probably be what it said on the tin

I’m not sure if March is a cliff edge date do we have a further transition period? But if parliament reject the deal - so no deal - it could be a cliff edge and that’s the scenario where we’d well and truly be up the creek? I.e. that would be a queuing for bread scenario?

Question marks cos I’m not sure, hopefully someone else on MN will know more. I do feel I need to watch a few more of the late night political programs to become more informed, because there’s not a huge amount of info elsewhere...

And a lot seems to be opinion at the moment...

If people stopped peddling this sort of poisonous spin then we'd be in a better place

What is 'poisonous spin' about what I said?

Whatever deal we end up with is going to be worse than we had before because the best deal with our closest neighbours was what we already had.

That's a fact - it's not 'poisonous spin'

I’m not entitled to vote in the UK but having lived here for years, only ever worked here, DC’s born here and own property here, I’m obviously interested in the Brexit outcome for the Uk.

Neither side conducted a fair or honest vote but the majority of the voters decided that the UK should leave so we have to accept that is the outcome and move on from arguing as to why someone voted remain or leave. We can’t change the vote but should be exploring all ways of achieving the best leave process as possible. At the moment it doesn’t look good but I don’t think we are as doomed as many of the scaremongering are making out.

Issues that face the UK today

NHS staffing crisis - not enough Brits want to work in the NHS for sub inflation payrises. Staff used to be brought in from the commonwealth, then from the EU. Not sure where they would come from after a clean Brexit

NHS funding crisis - entirely a Whitehall political decision to keep taxes low.

Housing crisis - entirely a Whitehall decision to stop councils building houses for those who cannot afford to buy.

School place crisis - entirely a Whitehall decision to stop councils building and running schools where they are needed.

Low pay crisis - entirely a Whitehall decision to have a low tax regime that is very friendly to offshore business and allows the gig economy and zero hour contracts

Inequality crisis - entirely Whitehall decision to keep tax rates on the super rich artificially low (carried interest, LLPs, CFCs etc etc)

Poor standard infrastructure and Utilities - Whitehall is wedded to privatisation and PFI because politicians hope to get well paid jobs when they are voted out.

Austerity - entirely a Whitehall created concept

As far as I can gather, those are the things that bother Brits.
None of them are actually anything to do with the EU.

Add then when you add the following to talkins list:-

• Soveregnity was never lost
• we could always trade with other countries
• we could always have restricted immigration

it's no wonder Remainers are bloody angry and want answers.

There is literally nothing rational and tangible to be gained from Brexit.

Right behind you bear

EEA/EFTA/FTA is a soft Brexit, but it's still brexit.
It's a compromise that could be sold to the moderate majority.
This is the issue, though. Since the referendum half the voting public has been totally ignored and the government has made no attempt to 'sell' any form of Brexit to the moderate majority on either side. Rather, they have pushed a particular - and in my view extreme and divisive - rhetoric that has made people more intransigent than they may have been with a more empathetic government and a stronger leader/opposition. The country became divided on 23rd June 2016 and since then there has been no attempt to heal division. No wonder people are angry.