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Westministenders: A Pickling Summer

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RedToothBrush · 18/07/2018 22:55

May has survived. The Turd Way has survived.

Whether this is true is another matter. The Turd Way was hijacked by the ERG who ripped it up and turned it from being a starting point to another ridiculous declaration of believing in Royal Unicorns. Rees-Smug has declared May LINO (Leader in Name Only) in tribute to BINO (Brexit in Name Only).

No one yet has grasped the consequences for NI. The backstop was absent from the White Paper except to say, it would never be used.

Johnson also in his commons resignation statement lives in a fantasy land, saying we had 2 and half years to get something in place for the Irish border. Except we don't because we don't have an agreed plan, we haven't hired the people to do it, there is no guarentee the way we are going that we will get a transition agreement agreed to afterall; its entirely dependent on us meeting certain criteria.

Even the Irish themselves haven't got to the point of admitting the possibility that there will be an Irish Border. Under WTO rules, members are legally required to secure their borders. If we are separate members to the EU we have to secure our border and they have to secure their border. In theory NI could be a separate member to the rest of the UK but this would breech the priniciple of a border in the Irish Sea.

No Deal has moved from being an option to being a distinct possibility.

The Trade Bill passed through the Commons unscathed with a dodgy pairing, the assistance of Labour rebels and the brewery tour organising skills of the LD and Labour whips despite the best efforts of Tory Rebels. It suggests the ERG have the numbers to force things but there still are no guarentees of anything.

We've had calls from Justine Greening for another referendum; despite it being obvious that the laws on referendums being ridiculously weak and just about everyone ignoring the findings of the electoral commision and the Leave Campaign's referal to the police. Even then the maximum penalties are wholly inadequate to prevent and deter electoral rigging.

We've had calls for a cross party government of National Unity. Which has been dismissed by Corbyn as an attempt at an establishment stitch up.

We've had the former Head of DexEu (the department who have refused the most FOI requests) and various ERG backbenchers (who said that publication of documents would damage the governments negotiations) ask for transparency and for draft DexEu documents to be published.

Ian Paisley Jr appears likely to be suspended from sitting in the HoC from 4th September for a month for breeching parliamentary standards, losing May one vital vote. She has however been bolstered by the resignation of John Woodcock from the Labour Party pledging his ongoing support of Brexit (he's been a Labour Rebel in the past). Plus there is the O'Mara Factor whereby the whole country could be at the mercy of whether Jared can be fucked to turn up to work at all or not.

There are growing signs out there for increasing support for EEA though despite it all.

The Trade Bill now goes to the Lords, where there is suggestion they might throw it out, after the Speaker declared they had the power to do so as it was a Supply Bill rather than a Money Bill thanks to the Amendments the ERG supplied.

All the while jobs are lost and companies are abandoning the UK and NI has had the most violence in years, but no one cares because Brexit means Brexit and its all worth it.

And finally, when being questioned by the Liason Select Committee, May said that 70 Technical Notices for Households and Businesses in the Event of No Deal would be published in August and September.

The country is in a total pickle.

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Mrsr8 · 19/07/2018 09:42

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OhLookHeKickedTheBall · 19/07/2018 09:43

Just peed myself laughing about the NI border becoming politically charged. When has it ever not been, even under the GFA? Are the people apparently running the country that bloody ignorant?

That second question was rhetorical. I suppose.

RedToothBrush · 19/07/2018 09:49

Dominic Raab @DominicRaab
Looking forward to taking questions from MPs on Brexit this morning, with our excellent Ministerial team @DExEUgov, then off to Brussels to meet Michel Barnier and his team. Time to intensify our negotiations.

Brexitese to English translation:
Dreading dodging answering questions from MPs on Brexit this morning, with our shockingly deluded Ministerial team @DExEUgov, then off to Brussels to meet Michel Barnier and his team. Time to stamp our feet like toddlers making demands whilst the EU just look on bemused and laugh at us.

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RedToothBrush · 19/07/2018 09:51

Heidi Allen @heidiallen75
I sincerely hope this isn’t true. No matter how tough the going gets, principle, integrity and standards matter. Without those, what’s left?

Re: Julian Smith and Brandon Lewis.

Heidi, have you been awake for the last 2 years?

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DGRossetti · 19/07/2018 09:55

A little light reading

ec.europa.eu/info/brexit/brexit-preparedness/preparedness-notices_en

RedToothBrush · 19/07/2018 09:57

The Irish Border @BorderIrish
Today I will be meeting Theresa May, the Acting Prime Minister of Brexitlandia, for talks on her future. I will be presenting her with a copy of my book 'The Technological Solution', which she will completely ignore. But you can read it in the thread below.

twitter.com/BorderIrish/status/983097181006651392

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RedToothBrush · 19/07/2018 10:00

(((Dawn Butler MP))) @DawnButlerBrent
If these reports are correct, the Tory whips, Brandon Lewis and the Prime Minister have been telling untruths about their shocking move against an MP on maternity leave. If they can't give a full explanation, surely the Chief Whip and Conservative Party Chair should resign.

Narrators Voice: But they didn't...

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DGRossetti · 19/07/2018 10:05

It will be interesting when women realise that they're headed for second class citizen status again. Especially with the indignity of not even achieving equality first.

But sure as night follows day, misogyny follows racism. Once again, Pastor Niemoller has walked this path.

Mrsr8 · 19/07/2018 10:06

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RedToothBrush · 19/07/2018 10:08

DGRossetti, many of us have already worked this out.

I certainly was well aware of it before the ref.

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RedToothBrush · 19/07/2018 10:12

Adam Wagner @AdamWagner1
Legal aid ‘deserts’ make human rights unenforceable - News from Parliament - excellent new report from @HumanRightsCtte out today

www.parliament.uk/business/committees/committees-a-z/joint-select/human-rights-committee/news-parliament-2017/enforcing-human-rights-report-published-17-19/
Legal aid ‘deserts’ make human rights unenforceable

Adam Wagner @AdamWagner1
Take a look at the "The need for a culture of human rights" section of the report from page 39. Makes important recommendations such as focus on public legal education and teaching human rights in schools
This is a great conclusion from @HumanRightsCtte's report- will anyone listen? Please retweet and like to get this report out there!

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20nil · 19/07/2018 10:15

Quite why Heidi Allen and to a degree Sarah Wollaston are Tories is beyond me. They give a shit about the NHS, women's rights and poverty. Grow a spine and defect to the Lib Dems.

OhYouBadBadKitten · 19/07/2018 10:24

I don't understand why we are being so stupid. It can be stopped, so why isn't it stopping?

just aaaaaaaaarghhhhhhhhhh.

The number of leavers who are saying it's going to be tough, but it will be worth it are doing my head in. They clearly don't get what tough is.

Add in the disaster that is farming through a prolonged drought, things are going to get tough long before March once people start stock piling and the market starts reacting.

Hasenstein · 19/07/2018 10:24

Thanks for the new thread, Red. It's up to 4 pages already before breakfast! It's also one of my last remaining lifelines to sanity; i think you should be up for an award after all this is over (if ever). Or maybe even Prime Minister. I'd vote for you. but then the competition is hardly overwhelming Grin

Motheroffourdragons · 19/07/2018 10:30

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DGRossetti · 19/07/2018 10:34

DGRossetti, many of us have already worked this out.

Yes, but quite a few still haven't.

And even as you [women] lose the vote, and all the hard won protections that still aren't enough, there will be women insisting it's what they wanted all along.

I have no evidence (not that it matters anymore) but I'm guessing more women opposed the suffragettes than supported them. And even today, I suspect there are many Tory-voting women who'd happily give up the right to vote if it meant a return to an Enid Blyton book existence of cucumber sandwiches and "mens work".

BrexitWife · 19/07/2018 10:40

The thread about Brexit in chat is making my blood boil.

Tanith · 19/07/2018 10:43

“I was listening to Sheila Fogerty on LBC yesterday. Very few callers want BoJo to become PM but loads were supporting Rees Mogg”

I shan’t believe it unless I see them in person. It’s too easy to manipulate a phone in or a poll.
I remember when they first decided to mob social media with Moggy for PM messages. Most of us had to look up who the hell he was.

BrexitWife · 19/07/2018 10:44

MPs who fiddle their expenses will be given anonymity under new plans
That’s just another step towards a dictatorship where people who are ‘elected’ can never be held accountable.

But people will not wake up to all those little changes. They will probably not even know about it.

placemats · 19/07/2018 10:46

Thanks for the continuation. Love Border Irish.

Later.

DGRossetti · 19/07/2018 10:50

Very few callers want BoJo to become PM but loads were supporting Rees Mogg

I would post for a full day in my underpants if JRM got anywhere near the candidacy papers for Tory Leader. He doesn't want it, because he knows it would wreck him. That's why he's so keen for other people to step up. Really, we should know his type from history.

smilethoyourheartisbreaking · 19/07/2018 10:52

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RedToothBrush · 19/07/2018 11:00

Owen Jones @OwenJones84
The media are determined to normalise and legitimise the far right. A line has to be drawn.

Yes very true. But anyone see any irony here too?

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DarlingNikita · 19/07/2018 11:01

Thanks Red.

This is the most scared and confused I've felt for ages. Why on earth are we all behaving like it's normal and acceptable for our government to be sending round leaflets about digging over the garden for cabbages and building a bunker?

Plonkysaurus · 19/07/2018 11:13

Manchester University students paint over Rudyard Kipling mural

www.theguardian.com/education/2018/jul/19/manchester-university-students-paint-over-rudyard-kipling-mural

I found this piece of news very uplifting. The young and engaged are looking beyond the imperialist heroes that the average brexiteer would hold up as inspiring. Good for them.