If there was another Brexit referendum tomorrow ...................

[TistyTosty]

.......would you vote the same as you did originally?

jasjas1973 By all means have another vote in 43 years not a problem, like I’ve waited, how can you have another vote on something that hasn’t happened yet.

Peregrina You know we cannot negotiate deals with other countries while still in the EU

Rosstac, all the info that has transpired over the last few months could and should have been taken into account.
If you want to launch a project, any project, you have to conduct feasibility studies. That's not been done though.

What really ticks me off is that the government has even done their homework after the fact.

Almost like they didn’t expect Leave to win. Don’t really want to Leave. But are held over a barrel by a bunch of frothing Eurosceptic profiteers like Rees-Mogg and BJ.

Most people on the street are horrified by it all. You don’t need to be Danny Dyer to see that.

hasn’t even done their homework

Hasn’t

David Davis just kept shuffling around blank paper.

No. I voted leave, but this government has made such a cock-up of everything, and is so corrupt and self-serving, prepared to take a shite deal as long as they can keep themselves in power, and their wealthy supporters onside, that I think that we'll end up a third world nation.

If we had a decent government who was interested in the future of the country and the people, and not just protecting their own privilege, then I still think "leave" was the right choice.

It's the new Brexiteer mantra - "it's brilliant but that bloody government is messing it up. I mean, if I ran everything, obviously it would be brilliant. That Theresa May is just sabotaging it all. "
And "will of the people ".
And "blue passports".

Did no one think the government would balls this up BEFORE the referendum?

Yeah, Farage and Johnson’s leave is a brilliant idea, it’s just May who is crap.

Wake up fgs.

No. I voted leave, but this government has made such a cock-up of everything, and is so corrupt and self-serving, prepared to take a shite deal as long as they can keep themselves in power, and their wealthy supporters onside, that I think that we'll end up a third world nation.

If we had a decent government who was interested in the future of the country and the people, and not just protecting their own privilege, then I still think "leave" was the right choice.

There is no deal possible which would leave us better off than we were before.

Everything you say above is correct, but it is not down to incomptence. It is deliberate.

People like Jacob Rees-Mogg don't care about you or me, they only care about their own enrichment.

Now you've seen the light, will you start campaigning for a second referendum?

I don't think there is enough awareness of what the alt-right is doing and its impact.

Bannon is alt-right and look at the influence he's already had in the US and here (talking to B Johnson, our foreign secretary until a few weeks ago!! And contender for PM!). He has his sights on the rest of Europe too.

Look at it squarely in the face and head over to the /pol/ forum on 4chan and tell me they're freedom lovers. Head over to those boards populated by frustrated women haters who hide behind pathetic memes to spread ideological poison and tell me you want them to have any part in our society.

There are well documented links between the alt right and
current nationalist ideologies as well as links between the alt right and radical anti-feminist reactionary movements.

So our strings are being pulled by middle -aged angry white males who can't get laid. Enough of that bullshit.

Everything you say above is correct, but it is not down to incomptence. It is deliberate.

I hadn't even considered this Tokyo - but I think you are right - it is just another way for the rich to get even richer and they are creaming it. Deliberate "incompetence" is the only possibility.

And as it happens, I am supporting a second referendum.

I also think we need a general election - there will be nothing left of Britain by the time this lot get their snouts out of the trough. First time an entire nation has been "asset-stripped", I think.

But SchadenfreudePersonified who would we vote for? I feel politically homeless.

SchadenfreudePersonified And who do you want in government, not Labour surely, the last two times in power, they let inflation run up to 23%, and we had the general strike, 3 day weeks, electric cuts, rubbish uncollected for months, and the very last time left the country close to Bankruptcy, with the famous note left , best of luck the cupboards bare,
They could have stopped the right to buy any time and could of built more council houses but choose not too.

It doesn't matter who I vote for because in my consituency people would vote for a monkey as long as it was wearing a blue rosette. There is no point in me voting.

LoveInTokyo, but isn’t this what is wrong with politics in this country, it’s crying out for new parties and a change in the old system, Mp’s voting for what they think not as the whip tells them to

Rosstac, there is nothing preventing us from starting trade negotiations with non EU countries. Unfortunately, every time we try they say to come back when we know more about our deal with the EU.

Gosh, when jasjas gets cross with leavers you know it’s bad .

Rosstac

For once we agree on something.

What I don't understand is why people who get into such a frenzy about the democratic deficit in the EU, and about the "will of the people" in the referendum being respected, aren't actively campaiging for electoral reform here, which is a thousand times more important.

You know we cannot negotiate deals with other countries while still in the EU

I didn't ask about negotiation - I asked about a plan. You know, as if you wanted to start a business and went to the bank for finance. You would be expected to have worked on your business plan before you got there.

We need a vote on whether we take the deal on the table or stay in EU.

Is in, we need a referendum on actual facts and plans.

Rosstac why do you think the government is asking businesses to stockpile ?

and we had the general strike, 3 day weeks,

The General Strike was in 1926, which I don't think you meant. The three day weeks were under Tory Governments. The miners' strikes of the 70s and 80s were both under Tory Governments.

I also feel politically homeless (great phrase!).

Everyone is highly disappointing quite frankly.

The only semi-official forecasts, made by government officials and seen by MPs but not published, suggest that whatever Brexit outcome emerges, the UK economy will take something of a hit.
They suggest that economic growth would be 2% lower over a period of 15 years than would otherwise be the case if there is a deal involving single market membership, 5% lower in the event of a harder Brexit, and 8% lower if there is no deal. The forecast indicates that poorer areas – which were more likely to vote for Brexit – would be hit harder. It predicts growth in the north-east of England would be reduced by anything from 3% to 16%.

Taken from:

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/jul/26/eight-months-to-brexit-what-happens-next?CMP=ShareiOSAppp_Other

To be honest, people who want to remain in the EU are a lot more politically homeless than people who want to leave, who have both the Tories and Labour on their side.

So if neither the Tories nor Labour are capable of taking us out of the EU without it being a total catastrophe, perhaps leavers should be asking themselves whether it isn’t just a fundamentally stupid idea?