If there was another Brexit referendum tomorrow ...................

[TistyTosty]

.......would you vote the same as you did originally?

@user1457017537 - I grew up by the sea in the 70s. Don't be daft. I also worked on a project to clean up a coastal area including improving the sewage works. So much better now. That was a long term investment. Now being part of the long term. With EU money, by the way.

The sewerage pipes wnt straight into the sea where i live

Well pre 2000

They were put in in 1914@

So yeah...crystal clear, apart from the shit

Once we Brexit, we will clean up all beaches...

said no one ever.

I trust user didn't paddle in the sea in Rhyl during the 1950s. The tide goes out a long way, below the sewage outflow pipes which used to be there - so raw sewage got pumped into the sea at high tide and left horrible brown stains and worse on the sand at low tide.

The concept of a 'blue flag' beach did not exist.

I grew up in the 70s and where we used to swim there was a waste outlet from the near nuclear research facility.

@PineappleSunrise

At the same time, the US is one of the countries that's filed a protest against the agricultural aspects UK's Brexit plan at the WTO, which means we'll have months of haggling to get a WTO-approved method of trading outside the EU.

Do you have a link about this?

Yep. Originally posted on Westministers by Big Choc Frenzy:

The UK’s First International Trade Negotiation – Agriculture at the WTO

ecipe.org/publications/the-uks-first-international-trade-negotiation/

On 26 September 2017 a letter was sent to the UK and EU Ambassadors to the WTO by their counterparts from Argentina, Brazil, Canada, New Zealand, Thailand, USA and Uruguay.
Regarding initial conversations about establishing UK specific WTO schedules, the letter stated:

“We are aware of media reports suggesting the possibility of a bilateral agreement between the United Kingdom and the European Union 27 countries about splitting Tariff Rate Quotas (TRQs)[1] based on historical averages.

We would like to record that such an outcome would not be consistent with the principle of leaving other World Trade Organization Members no worse off, nor fully honour the existing TRQ access commitments.

Thus, we cannot accept such an agreement.”

The UK’s first international trade negotiation since joining the EU in 1973 had commenced.

For the avoidance of doubt the letter, reproduced in Annex 1, also stated that:
“The modification of these TRQ access arrangements cannot credibly be achieved through a technical rectification.
None of these arrangements should be modified without our agreement.”

The UK government is perhaps yet to understand the full implication of this letter. 🤦🏽‍♀️

In an answer provided to Parliament on 21 November, then Minister of State for Trade Greg Hands said “In order to replicate as far as possible current obligations under the WTO… the government is preparing full UK-specific schedules under the GATT….. The government plans…. to assert them after leaving the EU[2].”
…
Secretary of State Liam Fox said recently that the EU reducing their TRQ requires a negotiation, but this is not required for the UK[4].

Contrary to what he suggested, major agricultural countries remain opposed,
and this is likely to mean a full negotiation.

The UK submitted schedules to the WTO Secretariat on July 19, as the first step in the process.

DH is a Brit, but I'm American. Our agreement was that he'd vote Leave if I voted for Trump. 🤝

If he wants Trump to get a second term then he'd vote Leave again.

If for no other reason then so we can listen to you remoaners moan some more. 🤣

The view from the US:

We’ve Reached the “at Least There Will Still Be Enough Food for Everyone” Stage of Brexit

slate.com/news-and-politics/2018/07/weve-reached-the-at-least-there-will-still-be-enough-food-for-everyone-stage-of-brexit.html

Our agreement was that he'd vote Leave if I voted for Trump. If he wants Trump to get a second term then he'd vote Leave again. If for no other reason then so we can listen to you remoaners moan some more

Well that should prop up the intellectual stereotypes of Trump/Leave voters nicely.

I would still vote Leave, so would DH.

Interesting. I usually vote for things, rather than solely to try and piss off a strawman.

YMMV, obviously.

I would still vote Leave, so would DH.

In the kindest possible way, WHY? WHY would you do this? WHY would you vote to make not just yourselves poorer but everyone around you? What on earth possessed you? Do you know that your children (and mine too thanks to you) are going to be poorer for decades?

I would vote the same way (remain) as I did before and I think that if people bothered to turn out to vote again the result would be the same and somebody will still have to pick up the pieces and actually make this work.

There were enough people whose opinions I usually respect that voted to leave to make me hopeful that this doesn't have to send us into an economic black hole for the next 20 years. Surely not every leave voter is either xenophobic or believed the side of the bus (although I think this is the lazy stereotype).

I personally have yet to meet a leave voter that I respected

It's probably to do with the circles that I mix with - everyone in business (apart from a few high profile flakey nutjobs whom I've never met) voted remain. Everyone I know socially fits the remain profile and voted accordingly

The one thing I have learned about Brexit is that we all live in our own cocoons. Who knew that people could have voted leave? In swathes.

I would vote the same

Our agreement was that he'd vote Leave if I voted for Trump. If he wants Trump to get a second term then he'd vote Leave again. If for no other reason then so we can listen to you remoaners moan some more

How very amusing for you. I didn't even get a vote but get all the conséquences of your unthinking shallowness.

@JabberWabber - so you aren't embarrassed or humiliated by Trump yet? Give it time.

Thesearepearls There in lies the problem, who knew the vote would be that close, in my area it was never in doubt a leave vote would win, I think it depended on where you live, where and what type of work you do, social class. As a client of mine said why would I vote leave, what would happen to my Spanish nanny, my Polish cleaner, and my Portuguese gardener.
There is a large number of people ( as shown by the vote) who thinks the government is not listening to them.
Globalisation is not good for everyone

Jabber moaning about politics has long been a tradition in this green and pleasant land, not being allowed to moan because of the opinion of a minority of the population is a new thing for us and it will take some time for the UK public to catch up with that fact.

The biggest eye opener has been how blinkered the remainers were and are. They still can't believe they lost.

I'm wondering what sort of food to start stockpiling :)

How long could we survive on Fray Bentos steak and kidney pies (the ones in the tins) and Tuc biscuits?

There was a woman on the news last night who's begun stockpiling insulin.....

George I kind of knew we were going to lose the vote. Not because it would be in the best interests of the UK but because of how clever the leave campaign was. Don't give or discuss any plan or detail was the campaigns mantra because theirs was an unwinnable argument.

But that was then and this is now. As a leaver what sort of Brexit were you voting for ? which parts of the EU did you envisage the UK remaining in if any ?

I find it hilarious that the winning side are so defensive about winning.

You won. By cheating, lying and pretending to care about poor people. But you still won. Own it. And all the shit you’ve heaped in the heads of your unfortunate countrymen.

If you want to be able to crow about winning then you need to take responsibility for the consequences of your decision.

And I hope none of you are stockpiling food or planning on profiteering. You told us that we’d be better off. So, if we’re not then you shouldn’t benefit.