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Brexit

Westministers: Operation Over The Cliff

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RedToothBrush · 26/06/2018 22:34

Bit late and didn't realise the last thread was so close to the end... so this is a very quick OP

What do you think the secret continency plan name the government have in place for the No Deal?

Suggestions Please

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GladAllOver · 02/07/2018 15:24

Well Google already knows where everyone is, and Amazon aren't far behind. Perhaps the government have hacked into them already?

DGRossetti · 02/07/2018 15:28

Since your mobile gives your position to within a few metres it wouldn't take much to identify where most people (with mobiles) are on the planet.

Most innocent people,. that is. The old story (once again). Thick criminals will get caught. And as for those that can control the system ... well who knows what they're up to. Smart criminals (by definition) don't get caught.

For myself, the definition of "criminal" is a subset of "stupid". No matter how "smart" someone is, the moment they decide to engage in criminal behaviour, they become an idiot. With the revolutionary caveat of (Jefferson) that it's incumbent upon the citizenry to disobey bad laws.

DGRossetti · 02/07/2018 15:32

Well Google already knows where everyone is

Hmm

I wouldn't trust Google to find their own arse with both hands. They're slowly slipping into irrelevance, unless they get some perspective back.

All the while they are trumpting their "gee whizziness", spend a little time "round the back" (so to speak).

In 20 years times it'll be 山顶风光 we all look too.

DGRossetti · 02/07/2018 15:35

The only thing that malfunctioned was the name of the year

unless my memory is wrong, he was going to call it 1948, but his publishers said it was too unbelievable ?

OK, I might not be so hot on modern pop trends, but :

Cherrypi · 02/07/2018 15:41

If we no deal is there still a transition period?

DGRossetti · 02/07/2018 15:45

If we no deal is there still a transition period?

A transition period would be part of a deal. So no deal ... no.

Any halfway - or even tenth-way - negotiating team would have worked on the transition period first off - after all it can kick in, and we can carry on negotiating. Instead we got a collection of the biggest idiots in Christendom.

BigChocFrenzy · 02/07/2018 15:50

Before I leave the shop, my 1st action with a new ipad or phone is to switch off Location Services
and push Privacy Settings to the max, cookies to the min.

To be really unlocatable, one needs not just to switch off a gadget, but also remove the battery

BigChocFrenzy · 02/07/2018 15:54

The EU, in its own interests, might let certain things "transition" after a WTO / no-deal Brexit.

i.e. allow UK certification of components the E27 can't yet produce or obtain elsehwere
allow certain financial or other services they can't yet replace.

However, I repeat that would be only what the EU needs and only for as long as they need each one.

DGRossetti · 02/07/2018 15:58

To be really unlocatable, one needs not just to switch off a gadget, but also remove the battery

Not on an Apple you don't. Nor indeed almost all new Androids.

GPS-proof covers are a start.

But remember, the more "unsual" things you do, the more you stand out of the herd crowd. Something my slightly tinfoil hat DBs have never grasped. Out of all my contacts, they are the only two that insist on PGPing all their emails.

If you were sniffing for unusual behaviour, where would you start ?

Really savvy bad guys would start with an a priori assumption they are being watched anyway. So you'd never catch them by observation. (The ongoing insistence of the security services of hoovering up electronic data is commendable, but completely useless against a terror cell who are communicating with adverts in code in Farsi or Urdu, or Gujarati placed in newsagents windows in busy city centres).

Anyway, as we've seen. Even when the security services do get it right, and identify the right bad guys, the UK hardly becomes a safer place.

54321go · 02/07/2018 16:01

I would imagine Google are busy selling the data, so whether they are capable of doing anything with it themselves is not important.
To get 'Google earth' in real time would be both excellent and scary. The utmost 'selfie' waving to yourself by satellite.
Don't forget all 'security' of data is only a matter of time, practically everything can be cracked, but some may take so long the information is useless.

DGRossetti · 02/07/2018 16:01

However, I repeat that would be only what the EU needs and only for as long as they need each one.

In parallel with a process of removing them as the EU no longer needs them.

Remember folks this is what we voted for. And if you don't remember, I am sure the EU will patiently explain it. In English (unlike the UK government).

Speaking of which, has anyone heard anything about the UK->EU27 missive that went out over the weekend ? Presumably it had to be sellotaped back together before posting ?

DGRossetti · 02/07/2018 16:05

I would imagine Google are busy selling the data

possibly not in California Grin

so whether they are capable of doing anything with it themselves is not important.

True. But my scepticism about "AI" remains undiminished. But then I'm old enough to remember 4GLs, "The Last One", and expert systems. And Inglish ....

lonelyplanetmum · 02/07/2018 16:07

Have we seen this...

www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/news/article-5904241/More-6-000-British-broadcasting-jobs-risk-firms-look-Europe-Brexit.html

Discovery, Sony Pictures and Sky likely to be affected. Other broadcasters, such as the BBC and ITV, could need to do the same.

Icantreachthepretzels · 02/07/2018 16:13

So four hours ago the Daily Express reported Theresa May to propose third customs deal to the EU
Two hours ago they were then forced to report Theresa May's proposals rejected before white paper even published
Grin

Now - whilst I have no doubt that they are spinning this is unreasonable on the part of the EU... for once in their lives they haven;t actually bothered to CAPITALISE any of the important words. It's like even they cannot be bothered anymore.

Meanwhile... barclays moving jobs to Franfurt
[[https://www.theguardian.com/business/2018/jul/02/barclays-to-move-uk-jobs-to-frankfurt-ahead-of-brexit]]

54321go · 02/07/2018 16:15

Without wishing to get paranoid, although there is a LOT of data out there, you could also consider that the internet is hooking up hundreds of millions of computers, all capable of 'crowdfunding' data management.
Smart fridges that tell you when you are out of caviar (would you keep that in a fridge?), is telling the world in general far more than the simple fact you are out of caviar.
I like my kitchen appliances 'dumb'. I know my toaster is not going to have an affair with the microwave.

DGRossetti · 02/07/2018 16:19

OMG, WTF have they done to Ruth Wilsons face in that pic Shock ?!

lonelyplanetmum · 02/07/2018 16:49

I know I'm not following the flow of the thread properly but I just read Leave EU did a really bad fake news campaign on the day of the recent march!

There was very low attendance at the pro-Brexit side of the march compared to the 100,000s of the People’s Vote marchers.

Nevertheless Leave.EU apparently tweeted a photo purporting to be a rival march... except the photo showed trees without leaves and attendees wearing coats and hats in 23C.

Jeez how can such thickies have achieved the duplicitous result they did.

www.theneweuropean.co.uk/top-stories/brex-factor-leave-eu-1-5581980

DGRossetti · 02/07/2018 16:53

Nevertheless Leave.EU apparently tweeted a photo purporting to be a rival march... except the photo showed trees without leaves and attendees wearing coats and hats in 23C

Straight out of the soviet playbook. Remember the doctored photos removing/including people depending on the political will ? Trotsky disappearing from the photographic records (and indeed, real life).

woman11017 · 02/07/2018 17:02

@bbclaurak
DUP have just come out after an hour and a half in Number 10 .......

Another Kuenssberg accidental jokes: A loud and proud gay DUP might be just the ticket to get us out of this pickle. We could just have a jolly national Gay Pride fiesta while the weather's nice and try to forget the whole embarrassing 'brexit' thingy. (would balance out the gruesome football malarkey too)

Nicholas Soames and some other tories are on twitter publicly asserting their boredom with grease smog.

What's your take on events in Germany BCF?

Icantreachthepretzels · 02/07/2018 17:25

This is a very uplifting article from The New European. It went up yesterday, so apologies if it has already been linked.

The World's Biggest Elite

MrsRRR · 02/07/2018 17:26

I've not really been following...when is the sleepover from hell or has it already happened?...

Icantreachthepretzels · 02/07/2018 17:28

Either this weekend or next weekend. I'm never sure what people mean when they write 'next weekend' ... do they mean this Friday or next Friday... or is 'this Friday' the Friday that's just gone? ...It's a minefield. But I don't think it's happened yet - wasn't TM at some summit getting her arse handed to her over the last couple of days?

BigChocFrenzy · 02/07/2018 17:33

woman Slightly more likely than not that the CSU leader will back down
It's more a matter of saving face, imo.

Certainly, the UK doesn't want German politicians distracted for months
and Merkel - if she isn't left too weak - might be prepared to nudge the other heads of govt slightly, if the UK came up with a proposal that didn't damage the Single Market

54321go · 02/07/2018 17:45

The meeting is this coming weekend so has not happened yet.
Out excellent government planning to come up with the white paper detailing some plans (possibly) a week after it should have been presented.

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