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Brexit

Westministers: Operation Over The Cliff

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RedToothBrush · 26/06/2018 22:34

Bit late and didn't realise the last thread was so close to the end... so this is a very quick OP

What do you think the secret continency plan name the government have in place for the No Deal?

Suggestions Please

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EmilyAlice · 27/06/2018 05:43

Thanks Red. Love the continency plan in the header. Think we might all need one of those....

BigChocFrenzy · 27/06/2018 06:13

Thanks, red Thanks
We are filling 'em up faster then you can write 'em !

BigChocFrenzy · 27/06/2018 06:30

Patriots ? Confused
Tory loyalists ?

Sending the UK economy over the cliff would destroy the country - and the Tories - for a generation,
sweep Corbyn into office with a desperate, angry public giving him total freedom to bring in any hard left policies he wanted,
to punish the wealthy right for destroying the lives of ordinary people

The hard left would be in power for 20 years+

The hard right hope a No-deal Brexit would remake Britain as Singapore-on-Thames
It could be Venezuela-on-Thames instead

Better hope May caves in and goes for BINO or at least BINO-

BigChocFrenzy · 27/06/2018 06:32

Govt Contingency plans / slogans:

"The govt’s indecision is final"

"UK exports will NOT get stopped at Dover . . . they will continue at full speed into the sea "

“Our plan for the UK economy after Brexit is the Swiss option" … Dignitas"

"After Brexit, the biggest aircraft manufacturer in the UK will beAirfix”
(Oh hang on, Airfix is actually manufactured in India, just packaged in the UK.
What is smaller than Airfix ?)

BigChocFrenzy · 27/06/2018 06:33

"The UK will have its turd and eat it"

Motheroffourdragons · 27/06/2018 07:02

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Mistigri · 27/06/2018 07:12

People are getting worried, hence more activity here.

I was in the "crashing out is unlikely" camp but I am revising my opinion daily. Still think May will probably cave but much less certain than I was.

HesterThrale · 27/06/2018 07:13

Place mat king.

Thanks Red!

The rebels didn't all back down: just Grieve and Morgan. Which is interesting in itself...

Patriots? The Brexiters? Ha! To send your country over a cliff?
One of the messages of the march speeches was that it's patriotic to want to save your country from destruction.
The pendulum is swinging. If it becomes 'sexy' to support Remain (or BINO/soft Brexit); and when Leavers feel confident to say they've changed their mind due to it not turning out how it was 'described on the tin', then we're away. Back to a reasonable solution, which consigns the Ultras to the little pocket of history reserved for wackos who we can't understand why we listened to at the time. Temporary collective idiocy?

And while many folk are talking of using their dual passports to emigrate, some of us don't have that option (and feel anxious at all that talk). So we must stay and fight. Fight we must. I sniff the first whiff of victory... Never give up!

WifeofDarth · 27/06/2018 07:26

Operation Botch Job

AndSheSteppedOnTheBall · 27/06/2018 07:43

I second Operation Icarus.

54321go · 27/06/2018 07:49

Thanks again RTB.
I like the 'compact format' first post as it saves a bit of scrolling and as most that are following this thread will realise and 'carry on' unless something of massive impact 'hits' at the point when a new thread is needed.
As a question, would another thread which concentrated on the possibility of Fascism rather than this excellent dissection of what the Gov and what the legal obligations mean?
I keep losing the plot on some of the expressions used here, am I right in thinking BINO is 'simply' reverting back to how we were before the vote/A50 moment(s)? Of course we can NEVER get back to that state really as we have already 'lost' a lot of money but far more importantly, confidence for business.
Was it this thread or another looking for song titles. Anyway, Sandy Shaw, Puppet on a string.

54321go · 27/06/2018 07:50

The thread used to be Westministenders, was there a particular reason to change?

BigChocFrenzy · 27/06/2018 08:05

I really appreciate red's excellent analyses in her OPs
(we just caught her out this time by posting so quickly !)

I like long reads that make me think

OhLookHeKickedTheBall · 27/06/2018 08:05

Private Eye nailed this edition's cover

Westministers: Operation Over The Cliff
BigChocFrenzy · 27/06/2018 08:06

Bookmarking the most recent post saves scrolling through, after you've read it once.

BigChocFrenzy · 27/06/2018 08:08

Red Box informs us that not only Bojo, but also May and Hammond in previous years have been vehemently against LHR-3
Opportunism, U-turns …

AndSheSteppedOnTheBall · 27/06/2018 08:08

54321go

BINO is Brexit In Name Only i.e. something like the Norway option.

RedToothBrush · 27/06/2018 08:10

The Rebels are presumably still both Conservatives and patriots. They dare not push May so far that she gets replaced by a hardliner, or push the government so far that its collapse lets Mr. Collective Farm into power.

My calculation early on was that Tory Rebels feared Corbyn more than anything. The ERG feared BINO most, and view it as destroying their life's work so will do anything to stop it.

I also think it likely that the Tory Rebels do fear a hard liner too, if May falls. If that happens all hope of BINO is gone.

Your calculation as a Tory Rebel was a lot about how far the ERG would go. Would they try to collapse the government to stop BINO even if that meant Corbyn becoming PM.

Damn straight they would. Possibly because they figure Corbyn can be manipulated. And failing that how long would Corbyn last with his own party as divided as they are? In a post Brexit situation?

The Tory Rebels had their backs to the wall either way. Combine that with the abuse and threats, and perhaps a quiet word about how party members are going to get special treatment if Brexit turns into a nightmare, won't you think of your family type thing, and they fold under the pressure.

I don't know that I have much sympathy for the Rebels. They had ample opportunity to step up a lot earlier but didn't. And the further it went the harder it got. They just don't believe that May will go for a no deal situation when the chips are down. Personally I think that's incredibly naive given everything that has happened, but I also think that if you are privileged you tend to be blind to the worst of human failings and of the mindset that X will never happen.

The numbers were sufficient to block no deal despite the leadership of either party. I suspect that deselection might have cropped up. Indeed Soubry is facing it as her own local party are trying to do so. But all they had to do was survive until March next year. Not even that long tbh.

But again it goes past that into threats to family. You might be willing to sacrifice your career but you might also put your life at risk and that of your family.

For that reason, and despite the threats, I don't think you can call them patriots. Patriots in the truest sense of the word. Patriotism is about fully understanding the implications of your action or indeed non action. And being prepared to sacrifice all for it. If you can be bought off, your belief has limitation. But let's see how long patriotism lasts in the face of no food. You just get riots and destruction with no regard to how that harms the country...

May's biggest vice as PM has been to foster and encourage a culture where potential lynchings are a possibility. Encouraging vigilantism is the stuff of fascists. It shows, ultimately, how far we have gone and moved away from democracy into a situation where parliamentary intimidation and vote rigging is real. With that the power of the people has already gone and been replaced by the power of thugs.

This should frighten you, because it's now government sanctioned strategy for pushing things through without scrutiny and moderation. When someone feels they no longer need moderation because they have all the power they need, they are capable of anything.

And that's what too many people don't see. The belief that it will all be ok, in this context, is extremely naive.

It might well be the case that May thinks she is leading this, as it's got her, her own way thus far. She's wrong. What she has unleashed is bigger than her. It will eat her in the end and someone more hard line will take over anyway. She is hostage to it, whether she knows it or not.

The where do we go from here is terrifying, as shit hits the fan on way or another. This dynamic was visible as possible on 24th June 2016. It's not unravelled yet and indeed is more and more likely as too many have made bad choices.

Pick your poison.

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AndSheSteppedOnTheBall · 27/06/2018 08:14

Yes to all that Red. As I said on the previous thread, the genie is out of the bottle and no-one has the first clue how to get it back in.

Fascism is on the rise and the Henry VIII powers look extremely worrying in that context.

Peregrina · 27/06/2018 08:21

Placemarking, Going out for the day, how many pages will there be by the time I get back?

QuentinSummers · 27/06/2018 08:23
Brew
prettybird · 27/06/2018 08:43

We've missed the obvious ones Wink

Project Unicorns Exist
Project Sunlit Uplands

But I do like Project Icarus Grin

LandOfOddSocks · 27/06/2018 08:43

Thank you Red for these threads. I have been following a long time but am always playing catch up so haven't posted before.

This is all so scary. We want to leave the country and have family elsewhere in Europe, but nowhere seems safe now.

I can't believe so many are sitting back and accepting the destruction of everything that mattered without a word of protest. I think you're right that there's some naive belief that it'll all be ok and things like that can't happen here. Sad

IrenetheQuaint · 27/06/2018 08:43
Gin
54321go · 27/06/2018 08:48

'The Scorched Earth policy'.
Has anyone checked whether the Gov have booked a charter flight for the beginning of summer recess, and that it is not a one way ticket to some sunny tax haven, Bermuda or somewhere?

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