Westministers: Operation Over The Cliff

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Bit late and didn't realise the last thread was so close to the end... so this is a very quick OP

What do you think the secret continency plan name the government have in place for the No Deal?

Suggestions Please

Watching Question Time for the first time in a year. The audience and panel seem surprisingly pro-Remain.

Is the tide turning?

If Theresa May manages to get the Cabinet behind her, then even when the EU rejects her cobbled together offer, it may be sufficient to have silenced the Brexiters. Credit will be due to her if she manages that. Then it will be time to depose her and put someone in place who can try to reconcile the nation. I don't know who that would be, but one of the younger generation of politicians.

As for the General Public being betrayed, people are fickle and I really don't think the majority care. They will care if their jobs are lost, and their foreign holidays cost more.

I don't know who that would be, but one of the younger generation of politicians.

Current bookings favs are Javid and Gove.

Javid wins hands down with party membershipGove v Javid run off, according to latest survey (con home one I think).

Remember the Maltese professor caught up in Trump Russia?

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The fake round robin technique was used effectively by Tyrion Lannister in GOT, if I remember correctly, only using ravens not text. Thus proving that reality is even weirder than fiction, or something.

Gove would win hands down with the blue rinsed party faithful and their boorish husbands, but would be toxic for the rest of the party, and would be likely to lose them votes if there was a GE. People wouldn't forget the disaster he was in Education.

Surely not even senior Conservative women are blue rinsed any more Peregrina? ?

annandale - yes I wondered about the blue rinse as I typed it. A significant number of elderly Tories must be baby boomers, so by rights ought to be aging hippies. Perish the thought!

I was at a certain sporting event yesterday which could be described as the elite at play. Though more of old money/upper middle class than the metropolitan elite bogeyman. Felt very Tory. I think the big signifier was the maintenance of any sort of formal dress code. The metropolitan elite males will now never wear a tie or a hat. Females will avoid hats as they are hard to get right (see Royal wedding threads passim). The younger tories will tend to go with that. A small c or older sensibility will wear a tie/hat to show a commitment to their concept of standards. It's a small thing but I think it works.

For fuck's sake.Our elected reps haven't even read the elusive impact assessments.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/jul/05/brexit-impact-papers-viewing-requests-made-by-just-6-of-mps-and-peers?CMP=ShareAndroidAppp_Facebook

Another death. I wonder how many due to DWP, UC and HO since 2010.

Man dies after falling from building during 'needless' immigration raid

Onlookers describe 'huge bang' as man fell from roof while being chased by immigration officers

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/sudan-man-died-immigration-raid-home-office-wales-newport-a8433636.html

The fake round robin technique was used effectively by Tyrion Lannister in GOT, if I remember correctly, only using ravens not text.

It's a lot older than that. I'm pretty certain William Cecil was using a version of it in Tudor times, and I've seen it used in modern companies too ...

Man dies after falling from building during 'needless' immigration raid

Hostile environment

I hope they only get a bonus if all suspects die in raids ? I can easily imagine a fleet of anonymous HO white vans sporting little faces with crosses through them on the drivers door.

*In fact, breaking the GFA could scupper any US trade deal, because the powerful Irish American lobby might pressure Congress into blocking the trade bill

• only Congress can pass trade bills*

We DO NOT want a trade deal with the US. It would require us to open up the NHS for sale to US companies, and to accept chlorine washed chicken and hormone impregnated meat.

We DO NOT want a trade deal with the US

Message from May is you will want what you are damn well given.

The ERG want trade deals with the USA and to smash the NHS. They are 'the will of the people' dontcha know?

Good to see business at last being clear about consequences. Need to see more of this and expect we will if this nonsence gets dragged out for too much longer.

How is this shower still in government? The worst government this country has ever had and still neck and neck with Labour in the polls. I know I’ve answered my own question.

This shower is still in Govt because the Opposition isn't much better, and appears to be happily propping them up.

When Major was on the ropes, we first had John Smith for Labour, who looked like a PM in waiting and when he sadly died prematurely, Blair came along and maintained tight discipline with a view to getting them elected. OK Blair's Labour was Tory Lite, but there wasn't the same hostility towards the public sector.

I know.

I hate to be negative but if the animal-loving British public were offered US chickens at 2 for a quid there would be a huge proportion of us who would buy them and not give a shit about the chlorine. Not me, but then I can afford meat that's better looked after.

Unfortunately, for many of the vastly increased number of poor and vulnerable, it might be all that they can afford

After all, benefits if we even still have any will be calculated on the lowest common denominator

Vis a vis love and understanding for parvenu Remainers. I must admit I am reluctant to skim over the fact they won't own the consequences of their vote. Danny Dyer voted leave. He voted for the 'mad riddle'. There were no details on the ballot card. Also if it does make people poorer and f*cks up the country, then that is exactly what people voted for too. Don't Leavers say they researched everything and you are calling them stupid if you say they didn't know the resulting possibilities. I'll take them at their spiel. If it is a nightmare, they say they knew it and voted for it. Which is obviously different from people voting Remain. I voted Remain and did not see any details of what was going to happen. Blurb was no more than a wish list. And many different scenarios proposed. The EU is run by a legal framework and even if what you would like is compliant, you still have 27 countries who can say 'nah, matey. Don't want to'.

QT a week ago had a very angry leave voting man in the audience. So, if he has trouble with anything resulting from Brexit, tough. My sympathy is for people who voted remain and will might suffer any consequence of Brexit. A propos that QT. Suella B wasn't quizzed by DD on the propaganda she touted before about 'the bill'. She called it project fear. Helen Lewis took her to book on it.

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And I don't believe for one minute that the British gov't won't try to screw other countries if they get away with it. For all the promises on the GFA. They have been travelling around EU countries briefing against Ireland. Trying to sow division and get others in the EU 27 to throw Ireland under the bus. This shower make Major and Clark look like giants with principles and integrity. Even Madeleine Albright being interviewed sounded so rational compared to the present incumbents in the US.

I voted Remain and did not see any details of what was going to happen

you didn't need to. A vote for remain was simply a vote for "carry on as before".

As countless memes have pointed out, it's Leavers and Brexiteers that evicted the pilot and then want somebody else to fly the plane.

FGS, this is the country that gave the world cricket. What part of "status quo" was not understood ?

I hate to be negative but if the animal-loving British public were offered US chickens at 2 for a quid there would be a huge proportion of us who would buy them and not give a shit about the chlorine. Not me, but then I can afford meat that's better looked after.

But your kids will have to eat it in their school meals, made with the cheapest available ingredients.