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Westministenders: Brexmeggadon Redux.

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RedToothBrush · 03/06/2018 16:36

The last thread started about how the Withdrawal Bill was in tatters with The Rebel Forces feeling confident of staying in the Customs Union and there seemed to be a growing backlash towards the hostile environment and the need to reduce immigration.

This thread starts with the revelation this week that Farage has claimed that he never said the UK would be better off financially under Brexit, just that we would be self-governing and the Brexmeggadon Planning Revelation.

The Sunday Times has published a story about No Deal Brexit as senior civil servants have drawn up scenarios for David Davis. If you remember the minister responsible for No Deal is actually Steve Baker. That’s ERG founder Steve Baker. And if you remember he is facing queries from Brexiteers about whether he is truly committed to Brexit on the basis of his recent actions and comments.

There were reported that his plans for No Deal were stalling and proving impossible.

And today we have the Brexmeggadon ‘Project Fear’ article with three levels of jeopardy: Mild, Severe and ‘Oh my fucking God’.

Suddenly all our talk of stockpiling on Westministenders are starting to look rather prudent and enlightened. Ian Dunt’s book is looking like a Brexit Manual. David Allen Green is just standing there going ‘Well’. And George Osbourne is maniacally laughing his head off somewhere.

In the Level 2 Disaster Planning we are looking at Dover collapsing on Day One, food would run out within days and hospitals would run out of medicine within weeks. Petrol would run out within week two too.

As I’ve point out before in the worst case, the government has insufficient police and army to manage a worse case scenario.
Of course this is so explosive, its only been shared with a handful of ministers and are ‘locked in a safe’ and The Sunday Times don’t tell you what is in the ‘Bremeggadon’ scenario.

Or you could just read social media for the ‘scaremongering’.

We now have political attempts to FOI or force the publication of these reports to look forward too. The irony being that in this case the government will have a legitimate case that it would be against national security to release them. Of course they can’t actually admit that either!

Naturally Cabinet ministers and DeXeu has dismissed the article as not true. What else could they do?

Only for a ‘government source’ to claim that the denial was ‘untrue’ to Sam Coates of The Times.

Matthew Holehouse pointed out that the government can’t say for certain what impact no deal will have on medicine supply chains, because review on this isn’t due to finish its “initial” work until “late spring 2018”. Of course we are now in Summer 2018 and its still not been completed. Which obviously bodes well.

And there is talk of Chilcot style inquiries into Brexit sometime in the future. Westministenders is once again way ahead on that score…

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Meanwhile over in the Labour corner, growing pressure has been mounting on Corbyn. This week has seen the launch of a Corbyn supporting left wing pressure group, comprised of grassroots and trade unions to stop him supporting the harakiri of Tory Brexiteers.

We wait with tepid enthusiasm and sceptical levels of optimism for Corbyn’s climb down. St Jeremy knows what he wants...

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What does all this talk all mean? I think its difficult to read as much different to the media catching up with what the sane – who have a modicum of understanding of what trade deals, the custom union and the single market actually are - have been saying for sometime. Reality can’t be spun forever. At some point, you have to start preparing the public for the coming shit storm or the inevitable u-turn. This seems likely to be the move to kill off No Deal once and for all.

In terms of a ‘possible civil war’ under Brexmeggadon, its noticeable key Brexiteers are backing away from the cake. That doesn’t smack of civil unrest, that smacks of cowardice and a lack of Brexiteer leadership as no one is truly prepared to nail themselves to the mast as the ship starts to sink.

I also don’t think people will blame other people in the event of no food and no medicine and no medicine. I think people will be fairly unified in blaming those in charge who caused ‘No Deal’.
Oh and The American Trade Wars have began.

Ronald Regan ‘We should beware of the demagogues who are ready to declare a trade war against our friends—weakening our economy, our national security, and the entire free world—all while cynically waving the American flag.’

Hmmm. Sounds a lot like Brexit doesn't it?

Turnips anyone?
Planting season is late June to early July.

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IrenetheQuaint · 11/06/2018 23:13

Do you know, that must be practically the first time the Lib Dems have made it to the headlines since Tim Fallon fell on his sword. They are amazingly invisible given the circumstances.

BigChocFrenzy · 12/06/2018 07:23

Govt secrecy: UK prepping is even more buggered than we thought

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/jun/09/whitehall-secrecy-cripples-brexit-plans-says-thinktank

A damaging culture of “extraordinary secrecy” inside government is blighting its ability to plan for Brexit,
according to a comprehensive study of Whitehall.

Officials are being forced to look at key documents in special reading rooms, while some papers are confined to the offices of the most senior civil servants 🤦🏻‍♀️

Even basic planning and guidance documents are kept locked away, largely inaccessible to civil service teams that need to see them 🤦🏻‍♀️

A security clearance backlog has also meant that some officials have waited up to nine months to gain access to the material they need 🤦🏻‍♀️

it [Institute for Government] concludes that
secrecy is being fuelled by cabinet splits over the direction of Brexit and the need to avoid “domestic political embarrassment” AngryAngry

It concludes that
the drive to restrict information has made effective co-ordination of Brexit work across government “impossible”

woman11017 · 12/06/2018 07:35

Remember Chairman Mau's People Movement to eliminate sparrows? The country banged saucepan lids, scared the birds away, the insects ate the crops, the people died.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four_Pests_Campaign
Brexism is Mauism but without the cool Mau suits.

BigChocFrenzy · 12/06/2018 07:46

I'd forgotten that, woman
One of the causes of the horrific Chinese famine in the early 1960s, part of the "Great Leap Forward" in which 20+ million starved to death

BigChocFrenzy · 12/06/2018 07:51

They persecuted the "elite" intellectuals too, beat them up and forced them to do manual work instead
later, Kampuchea did their own version of "Year Zero", when even wearing specs could land you in a re-education / concentration camp

Funny how trying to wipe out the professional mc always ends with a wrecked country

DGRossetti · 12/06/2018 08:46

The secrecy around Brexit is shades of how Hitler ran Germany ... no one had the full picture, and often several people were given the same task to fight it out over for the Fuhrer.

BigChocFrenzy · 12/06/2018 08:52

Brexiteer Odey bets £500m AGAINST British businesses:
Rees-Mogg backer hopes to gain from ‘short’ stakes in (UK) shares he believes will fall

AND he is backing German & French businesses < so patriotic, these Brexiters >

while demanding a hard Brexit < I wonder why Hmm >

http://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/investing/article-5824697/Brexiteer-Odey-bets-500m-AGAINST-British-businesses.html

Hedge fund tycoon Crispin Odey
– who recently demanded Theresa May’s eviction from No 10 saying she couldn’t be trusted to carry Brexit through –
stands to make huge profits from the woes of the UK economy < colour me surprised >

His firm Odey Asset Management has taken out more than £500 million ‘short’ positions
– which are essentially a gamble that a share price will fall –
on some of Britain’s biggest firms, implying that he expects a poor performance from them.

Odey’s apparent lack of confidence in flagship British firms stands in marked contrast to his fund’s investments in other countries,
including France, Germany and the US, where he is mainly backing shares to rise.

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Westministenders: Brexmeggadon Redux.
Cailleach1 · 12/06/2018 09:13

When people go on about 'project fear' and predictions of things taking a tumble after the Brexit, it isn't really mentioned how the BoE allocated 250billion to prop up the UK economy. That is a big thing to omit. Mark Carney took action to shore things up. And the predictions were based on the UK leaving. Which hasn't happened yet.

RedToothBrush · 12/06/2018 09:24

Nick Clegg @ nick_clegg
Sad to hear my old friend DD tell so many porkies on @BBCr4today. 1) If MPs vote against the Brexit deal, many European leaders have told me they would be prepared to move Article 50 deadline. So it’s simply not true to say that we would crash out.

2)Biggest reason economies trade with each other is geography, not growth rates on other side of planet. Madness to restrict trade with nearest markets in hope of replacing it with trade in distant places. Brexiteers think they can turn clock back,but they can’t abolish geography

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lonelyplanetmum · 12/06/2018 09:24

A damaging culture of “extraordinary secrecy” inside government is blighting its ability to plan for Brexit,
according to a comprehensive study of Whitehall.

The secrecy thing doesn't surprise me.It's all driven by fear, fear of foreigners, fear of the unwashed public, absurd fear of the EU ' taking over'.

It's all about clandestine, non collaborative rule. Fear of meaningful and calm debate. Lack of faith in the integrity of your own views, and inability to openly and coherently defend your beliefs.Look at May's regular refusals to debate publicly, those hand picked pre election meetings with only the faithful invited.

Uk Politics is broken.

What's happening in Scotland st the moment, all seems quite quiet. Aren't the government suing the Scottish in the Supreme Court over their Continuity Bill. Perhaps everyone's waiting for the outcome of that case.

I expect the government will be pushing ahead despite the lack of devolved consent.

www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/mind-in-the-machine/201612/fear-and-anxiety-drive-conservatives-political-attitudes

RedToothBrush · 12/06/2018 09:36

We are in the process of selling the house. The market is really nervous locally. Viewings are way down on the last couple of years. Things are still selling but it slowed down in March.

We have a viewing today. I am feeling like I want to go on full on Theresa. I am kinda hoping for positive noises but not wanting to make a deal, and instead kick the pebble a bit longer.

We have some tough decisions to make if they do put in an offer. Do we play safe or stretch ourselves? DH is a rarity: his job is more secure than most, and even then the skills shortage means he has options. Our location is ideal and he can commute to a large area.

It's just in the last few days, my gut feeling has more from quiet confidence in BINO to a rising anxiousness about catastrophic Brexit. That Nick Clegg tweet is a bit reassuring but, I dunno. I just have a niggling feeling at the back of my head, that I wish the timing were different.

I am not looking forward to today and tomorrow's votes.

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woman11017 · 12/06/2018 09:56

@DrPhillipLeeMP
I am incredibly sad to have had to announce my resignation as a minister in Her Majesty’s Government so that I can better speak up for my constituents and country over how Brexit is currently being delivered. Statement to follow shortly on my website.

woman11017 · 12/06/2018 09:58

@ShippersUnbound
He's also friends with the Mays. Interesting

woman11017 · 12/06/2018 09:59

@DrPhillipLeeMP
"I believe that the evidence now shows that the #Brexit policy our Government is currently pursuing on the basis of the 2016 referendum is detrimental to the people we are elected to serve". #BrightBlue

54321go · 12/06/2018 10:00

Bouncing back a few posts, Idi Amin in Uganda turfed out the Asians (many of whom came to Britain). Unfortunately the Asians were the more entrepreneurial minded and much of the economy of Uganda 'failed' as a result. Other actual atrocities followed of course which then 'stuffed' the country completely. Zimbabwe was similar.

woman11017 · 12/06/2018 10:01

@DrPhillipLeeMP
If, in the future, I am to look my children in the eye and honestly say that I did my best for them I cannot, in all good conscience, support how our country’s current exit from the EU looks set to be delivered.

I voted to remain in the European Union and have not changed my view that continued membership would have been the better strategic course. Even so, I believe that it would be impossible and wrong to seek to go back to how things were before the referendum.

54321go · 12/06/2018 10:09

Not that we should expect it, or have any 'right' to it but I would imagine that the EU would make some small concessions to the UK remaining, in the form of putting back some deadlines perhaps as I don't think the EU as a whole actually wants the UK to leave. It is natural that there are grumbles between such diverse nations but working for stability and a 'common good' is worth striving for.

Inarightflap · 12/06/2018 10:18

Good luck with the viewing, red. I hope you get your desired outcome!
We did sell our house in our previous location last year (letting it out was becoming a nightmare & we were planning to buy and settle where we live now) but have been pretty much paralysed with indecision ever since then, hence still renting. Friends and family think we are a huge joke Blush.

Sounds as if you are in a good position with DH’s job though, even if all goes hideously badly. I too have an awful feeling about today’s debates, but would love to be to be proved wrong...

Just discover DCs have nits. Woo.

RedToothBrush · 12/06/2018 10:21

Good man Dr Phillip Lee.

More resignations to follow?

Laura Kuennsberg @ bbclaurak
If govt thought they were in for a quiet day this has just set cat among pigeons - will others follow? Younger generation of ministers have been HUGELY frustrated at how the senior level have been making decisions or indeed not making decisions

Is this the start of something or just one person's frustrations? One is relatively straightfoward for govt, the other is a total potential nightmare - Lee has been furstrated for some time, but so are others

Kevin Schofield @ polhomeeditor
Just told Tory MP close to Boris Johnson about Philip Lee's resignation while sharing a lift. He was so stunned he got off at the wrong floor.

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RedToothBrush · 12/06/2018 10:22

amp.theguardian.com/politics/2018/jun/12/brexit-compromise-amendment-to-eu-withdrawal-bill-tabled-at-last-minute?CMP=share_btn_tw&__twitter_impression=true
Brexit: No 10 rules out backing compromise amendment to EU withdrawal bill
Move against Dominic Grieve amendment paves way for Commons showdown over no-deal Brexit

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RedToothBrush · 12/06/2018 10:24

www.phillip-lee.com/uncategorized/ministerial-resignation-statement/
Dr Lee's full statement.

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Dobby1sAFreeElf · 12/06/2018 10:24

Good luck rtb andinarightflap, for two totally different reasons Grin

I'm completely bricking it over the Henry VIII powers. They've always been the thing that's worried me most in all this.

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