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Westministenders: Brexmeggadon Redux.

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RedToothBrush · 03/06/2018 16:36

The last thread started about how the Withdrawal Bill was in tatters with The Rebel Forces feeling confident of staying in the Customs Union and there seemed to be a growing backlash towards the hostile environment and the need to reduce immigration.

This thread starts with the revelation this week that Farage has claimed that he never said the UK would be better off financially under Brexit, just that we would be self-governing and the Brexmeggadon Planning Revelation.

The Sunday Times has published a story about No Deal Brexit as senior civil servants have drawn up scenarios for David Davis. If you remember the minister responsible for No Deal is actually Steve Baker. That’s ERG founder Steve Baker. And if you remember he is facing queries from Brexiteers about whether he is truly committed to Brexit on the basis of his recent actions and comments.

There were reported that his plans for No Deal were stalling and proving impossible.

And today we have the Brexmeggadon ‘Project Fear’ article with three levels of jeopardy: Mild, Severe and ‘Oh my fucking God’.

Suddenly all our talk of stockpiling on Westministenders are starting to look rather prudent and enlightened. Ian Dunt’s book is looking like a Brexit Manual. David Allen Green is just standing there going ‘Well’. And George Osbourne is maniacally laughing his head off somewhere.

In the Level 2 Disaster Planning we are looking at Dover collapsing on Day One, food would run out within days and hospitals would run out of medicine within weeks. Petrol would run out within week two too.

As I’ve point out before in the worst case, the government has insufficient police and army to manage a worse case scenario.
Of course this is so explosive, its only been shared with a handful of ministers and are ‘locked in a safe’ and The Sunday Times don’t tell you what is in the ‘Bremeggadon’ scenario.

Or you could just read social media for the ‘scaremongering’.

We now have political attempts to FOI or force the publication of these reports to look forward too. The irony being that in this case the government will have a legitimate case that it would be against national security to release them. Of course they can’t actually admit that either!

Naturally Cabinet ministers and DeXeu has dismissed the article as not true. What else could they do?

Only for a ‘government source’ to claim that the denial was ‘untrue’ to Sam Coates of The Times.

Matthew Holehouse pointed out that the government can’t say for certain what impact no deal will have on medicine supply chains, because review on this isn’t due to finish its “initial” work until “late spring 2018”. Of course we are now in Summer 2018 and its still not been completed. Which obviously bodes well.

And there is talk of Chilcot style inquiries into Brexit sometime in the future. Westministenders is once again way ahead on that score…

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Meanwhile over in the Labour corner, growing pressure has been mounting on Corbyn. This week has seen the launch of a Corbyn supporting left wing pressure group, comprised of grassroots and trade unions to stop him supporting the harakiri of Tory Brexiteers.

We wait with tepid enthusiasm and sceptical levels of optimism for Corbyn’s climb down. St Jeremy knows what he wants...

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What does all this talk all mean? I think its difficult to read as much different to the media catching up with what the sane – who have a modicum of understanding of what trade deals, the custom union and the single market actually are - have been saying for sometime. Reality can’t be spun forever. At some point, you have to start preparing the public for the coming shit storm or the inevitable u-turn. This seems likely to be the move to kill off No Deal once and for all.

In terms of a ‘possible civil war’ under Brexmeggadon, its noticeable key Brexiteers are backing away from the cake. That doesn’t smack of civil unrest, that smacks of cowardice and a lack of Brexiteer leadership as no one is truly prepared to nail themselves to the mast as the ship starts to sink.

I also don’t think people will blame other people in the event of no food and no medicine and no medicine. I think people will be fairly unified in blaming those in charge who caused ‘No Deal’.
Oh and The American Trade Wars have began.

Ronald Regan ‘We should beware of the demagogues who are ready to declare a trade war against our friends—weakening our economy, our national security, and the entire free world—all while cynically waving the American flag.’

Hmmm. Sounds a lot like Brexit doesn't it?

Turnips anyone?
Planting season is late June to early July.

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WifeofDarth · 12/06/2018 13:10

Is Lee positioning himself as the next Conservative leader?

woman11017 · 12/06/2018 13:12

@faisalislam
Some remainish ex Cabinet ministers telling me the Lee resignation has thrown the numbers up in the air, some MPs who had reassured on backing Government now want them to consider Grieve Amendment very seriously... saying same vote might occur via a humble address anyway

“How can a minority Government have the power to push through No Deal?” one Tory MP told me, concerned, unlike customs, that this is the last chance to integrate a Commons backstop on No Deal into legislation...

We've been wondering that too.

This time last year it hadn't looked plausible.

Pity no more clear information is forthcoming from that awful banks/wigmore smugathon with MPs on how much money the labour party had received to support leave....................

Peregrina · 12/06/2018 13:12

My previous MP voted Remain in a Remain constituency. It didn't stop her singing the Brexit tune, until the election was called, when she suddenly remembered which way she had voted. Too late for her, her electorate booted her out. What a pity Deadwood's didn't do likewise. I know Wokingham is a well heeled area but there are a lot of scientific and high tech jobs at stake in the area.

Hasenstein · 12/06/2018 13:12

I think Dr Lee should have resigned as a Mp not just a minister, his constituents voted to leave the EU, if he can’t carry their wishes through then he should step down and let someone else do it.

Then numerous others should do the same, including Redwood and Mogg.

woman11017 · 12/06/2018 13:14

User MPs are representatives not delegates.

woman11017 · 12/06/2018 13:18

Soubry has spoken too of death threats to 'rebel' MPs today.
Is this in any way a democratic vote?

Westministenders: Brexmeggadon Redux.
user1486062886 · 12/06/2018 13:28

Hasenstein yes they should, they should think about the wishes of there constituents not their own views,esp in a situation where there wishes were made clear in a democratic vote
It seems they have forgotten who they are meant to represent

DGRossetti · 12/06/2018 13:34

MPs also need to remember that generally more people voted against them than for them.

Hasenstein · 12/06/2018 13:44

user

As has been said above, we have a representative system. Can't be bothered quoting Burke again, but MPs are not just delegates blindly required to follow the possibly misguided views of their constituents.

Motheroffourdragons · 12/06/2018 13:51

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lonelyplanetmum · 12/06/2018 13:51

* ...but MPs are not just delegates blindly required to follow the possibly misguided views of their constituents.*

The oxymoronic aspect that puzzles me in the Burke jurisprudence is this. MPs like mine Zac G (Brexit cult worshipper and son of the original referendum party ) will correctly say he is a representative not a delegate.

But in the next breath, when voting against his Remain constituents, he will say he must implement the will of the people.

So on a constituency level he's a representative but on a national level he's a delegate?

JWIM · 12/06/2018 13:54

user aside from the fact that as others have pointed out we have a representative not delegate system, In Dr Lee's constituency Bracknell, the vote was in favour of remain.

DGRossetti · 12/06/2018 13:56

And we should be glad to see such principles being shown. If the conservative party don't like them then they have others ?

Sorry, couldn't resist Grin

DGRossetti · 12/06/2018 13:56

But in the next breath, when voting against his Remain constituents, he will say he must implement the will of the people. So on a constituency level he's a representative but on a national level he's a delegate?

Schrodingers MP ?

lonelyplanetmum · 12/06/2018 14:00

Schrodinger's MPs

lonelyplanetmum · 12/06/2018 14:02

Buying a machete. That's what we've come to.

Always female MPs targeted too.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-44452529

user1486062886 · 12/06/2018 14:03

Must have the wrong Bracknell it said it voted to leave 54-46,

user1486062886 · 12/06/2018 14:06

Surely these Mp’s don’t take these keyboard warriors seriously? I dread to think how many death threats Mp’s must get, not saying I agree with it before you start

JWIM · 12/06/2018 14:07

Apologies. However, Jo Cox MP RIP.

Dobby1sAFreeElf · 12/06/2018 14:08

There's a bit of confusion regarding Bracknell Constituency and Bracknell Forest's EU vote. The EU votes weren't returned on a constituency basis. I've noticed this is purposely being used by Guido and others.

DGRossetti · 12/06/2018 14:08

@lonelyplanetmum

Thanks for the apostrophe. However, I deliberately wanted "MP" to read singular. Firstly as a nod to Schrodinger's cat (not cats) and secondly to underscore the singular nature of Zac Goldsmith.

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lonelyplanetmum · 12/06/2018 14:12

I wasn't picking you up on the apostrophe. Heavens I'm the typo Queen!
I was just making the point that Zac ( who I've personally challenged during his canvassing) is only one of many MPs who have completely double standards regarding the delegate or representative stance.

Tanith · 12/06/2018 14:12

They should be taking these keyboard warriors very seriously - and throwing the book at them.

Utterly unacceptable and despicable behaviour to be sending rape and death threats to anyone.

lonelyplanetmum · 12/06/2018 14:15

Surely these Mp’s don’t take these keyboard warriors seriously?

When they buy machetes (as in the link I posted 10 minutes ago) we should all take them seriously.

The death and rape threats made to all MPs should be actionable surely?

DGRossetti · 12/06/2018 14:20

Ah, I see ... I think Grin

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