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[bearbehind]

Since BrexitArmsLandlady says she isn't starting anymore threads here's a place to discuss Brexit developments for those that still want to.

It never ceases to amaze me what a shambles this is.

The cabinet still can't even agree what we want, let alone what we're going to get.

This is my choice for my life bear. You have no say at all in it....
My feelings are just that and none of your business.
I was give a vote and used it as is my right.
You did not manage to win and you are a bad loser.
Your have to accept the UK has moved on from the vote and face a future that while not to your liking is the one you will be living in.

But Bear look at the Brexit positives here - we may be worse off but we won’t be bankrupt.

Maybe.

Remind me again, how much did the BofE pump into the UK economy straight after the vote?

mummmy the one thing that cheers me is you're getting BINO.

No matter how much you hope for your dream of 'no deal', it isn't going to happen.

There is no solution other than staying in SM/CU and that's entirely the fault of you and your cavalier comrades who thought it was just about your 'feelings' so making any actual plans was unnecessary.

Of course that means no one gets what the wanted but it's the least worst solution.

the one thing that cheers me is you're getting BINO

That’s why people have no time for you bear - you’re vindictive.

How is it vindictive to hope for the least worst option?

It's better than being a selfish, self centred, self confessed wealthy person who doesn't give a shit what happens to others.

Vindictive? Voting for something you know will make people poorer and threaten peoples residency status is vindictive.

HOPE bear...

In one word all your certainty is betrayed as what it truely is....

WTAF mummmy?

It's going to take a bit more than 'hope' to sort this out.

The sad thing is you really think that's all that's needed.

Hope is your word not mine....
You hope for a certain option.
In doing so ànd using that word you betray yourself, your bluster and your rants betrayed as nothing more than wishful remain thinking....

No mummmy, I said 'no matter how much you hope'

I don't 'hope' for a certain option.

I 'know' the only feasible solution is BINO.

Sorry, just seen where I used the word 'hope' for myself.

Bad choice of words.

I see it as TM has waste her time by deciding nothing.
And why is TM doing nothing? Why is she PM?
Because Johnson for one, bottled it - the obvious candidate for PM when Cameron ran away.
Rees-Mogg - no, he didn't even bother to think about throwing his hat into the ring, because it's so much easier to snipe from the sidelines.

BJ. DD. And RM are now pushing TM off the fence and she either jumps or she falls.....

Are they hell. Unless I missed the announcement back last June when TM squandered her majority, that they had got the names to cause a leadership challenge.

BEAR There must be some point at which you would think it was wrong to stay in the EU...?

Quite possibly mummmy but right now the benefits far outweigh the costs.

Would you like to counter that?

I choose to deal in the facts right now rather than the 'what might be's'

There is not one leaves on here who has not agreed we will be worse off

I agree, Leavers I know now all accept we'll be worse off. They didn't before though, they were all talk about how much better off (financially) we'd be. Most also now accept we have a diminished position in the world because of Brexit and that we did retain our own sovereignty the whole time. They also know that all round it's going to be shit. For some reason almost all still support Brexit though and claim to have known how it was going to be all along (despite what they said at the time).

So, we have something that will-

Make us all poorer.
Make the UK an international laughing stock.
Reduce opportunities for our children.
Oh, and rip up the peace agreement in NI.

Yes, I'll vote for that! (said Putin)

Did I mention Gibraltar?

I get the feeling that Leavers are quite jingoistic,

So jingoistic in fact, that they've cottoned onto the fact that there is life & abundant opportunity outside the EU.

But far easier for you to squish millions into a box of your choosing I suppose.

I'm reminded of the Trans Rights Activists when I look at the disproportionately vocal, tiny subsection of fanatical remainers - screeching & wailing about how they are right & everyone else is not.
(Ditto the extremists on the Brexit side, but MN doesn't have as many of them)

Given that the anti foreigner sentiment played a part in brexit I’d say jingoism is a fair description

Daisy that opportunity to trade etc with countries outside the EU was always there - just look at the trade with China that Germany achieves. The fact that the UK has not exploited the existing trading opportunities does not bode well for the future when that non EU trade will become even more important.

Why is it you still can't acceptvmost leavers see the EU as not fit for purpose.
We wanted trade and not the meddlesome body with vissions of an empire.... it is not taking back control we want but growth as a nation to interact on a worldwide level ....
Everyone one knows when you divorce no one is better off. However in time you do regain what assets you lost and a new relationship can and most often can be better than what you had.

Our new relationship with the US is going swimmingly ...

Boris Johnson reduced to having to use Fox News to contact President Trump (because presumably he's not taking Theresa Mays calls ?)

and then, as if the pain of Brexit weren't enough, Airbus can kiss goodbye to a few billion more

www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/iran-nuclear-deal-donald-trump-boeing-airbus-sanctions-a8342366.html

If only "control" were a currency. You could buy bread and shoes with it.

Mummy

Do you really see life through such a simplistic lens?

What does this even mean?:

" it is not taking back control we want but growth as a nation to interact on a worldwide level .... "

Interact how and with whom and to what end? I thought "taking back control" was the will of the people, the very reason people voted for Brexit. And how exactly does "wanting" growth actually achieve it?

We lost our manufacturing industry due to other members making it cheaper...
Our farming ... we got paid to do nothing while other nations were paid to use farming as a profitable to them loss leader.
Our seas and fish loaned out for others to rape.
Sorry but to me the EU is a club that is not the be all and end all you see it as but a suffocating project that can only get worse with too many members with too many aims, not all countries need the same thing but in the EU we simply have to stuff it and suck it up....

Most Things that Britain originally manufactured are now imported from outside the EU.

Textiles: from all over world
Cars: final assembly anywhere in Europe; one thing Britain still makes lots of, very complicated multi-national long supply chains
Steel: China
Coal: cheaper from Russia
Sugar: holding our own partly b/c of EU policies
Drink & Food: still high end important exporter
Pharma, chemicals, Arms: Still big industries in UK
Services: we have grown enormously, is huge for our economy... impossible to cover under trade agreements, though.
Tobacco: Okay, you got this one. UK imports a lot from Poland & NE.

As a result of (cheap long supply chain) globalisation, most of us are much more materially rich than our grandparents. We literally can afford a huge range of things they couldn't.

We lost our manufacturing industry due to other members making it cheaper...

We were losing our industry to overseas competition, long before we were in the EEC. I well remember local textile firms going bankrupt in the mid sixties, and not because of competition from Germany- more like the Far East. Why - lack of investment and poor management for two starters. Nothing to do with the EU.

Our seas and fish loaned out for others to rape.

Our fishing quotas sold out to other countries by the Westminster Goverment - the ones you have blind faith in. I also recall that Farage when on the EU fisheries committee only attended one meeting out of 42. Much easier of course to have silly stunts throwing fish into the Thames instead of getting off his backside and doing the job he was paid to do.