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bearbehind · 03/05/2018 10:36

Since BrexitArmsLandlady says she isn't starting anymore threads here's a place to discuss Brexit developments for those that still want to.

It never ceases to amaze me what a shambles this is.

The cabinet still can't even agree what we want, let alone what we're going to get.

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bearbehind · 07/05/2018 16:44

Do you mean Remainers above DGR?

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DGRossetti · 07/05/2018 16:58

Do you mean Remainers above DGR?

No ... I personally think there are broadly 2 classes of people who voted leave. Leavers - who had a carefully thought out, measured and rational reason for their stance (generally tending towards an antipathy about EU expansion, direction of travel, and the fact that the EU was having a negative effect on smaller non-EU countries). All debatable issues with a lot of research and reportage to back it up.

Then you have the swivel-eyed loon Brexiteers who will simply mouth "taking back control", "sovereignty", " bent bananas" and (naturally) something about "EU immigration". None of which has any rational basis, and the last invariably slides into discussions about non EU immigration anyway. As these very threads have (repeatedly) shown, the old adage about not fighting with a pig applies here.

I think the Leavers checked out a long time, and (like the Norths) are horrified at what their vote has enabled. Meanwhile Brexiteers bump along to blurble on about "we're leaving, get over it" safe in the knowledge that having been exposed as a busted flush, they will never be taken to task for their lack of critical facilities.

To be honest we've reached the point where it's pretty immaterial whether we stay or go. The damage has been done - although like an overdose of paracetamol, it's a slow acting poison.

Even if Brexit were cancelled tomorrow, the UK it leaves behind will have fundamentally changed. Not only is racism now more overt than ever, it's state-run and officially condoned - no something that can be reversed overnight. Or over a generation.

It was a clarion cry of Brexiteers they wanted "their" country back. Well I want my country back.

I should write for money Smile ...

bearbehind · 07/05/2018 17:11

I think the Leavers checked out a long time, and (like the Norths) are horrified at what their vote has enabled.

That's why I was a bit baffled about your comment saying 'Leavers are trying to come up with solutions'

I don't see that happening.

All I see is the swivel eyed bunch versus Remainers trying to make the best of a bad situation.

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Heyduggeesflipflop · 07/05/2018 17:11

There is literally no point in engaging with any of you - if ever a thread caught the zealots this is it. I could tell you the sky is blue and you would find a way to tell me it is actually green.

Just kick back and enjoy your opportunity to whinge about it with like minded people.

As I say, you are fighting a fight that has already been and gone. Most politically disengaged folk in the uk have moved on - meanwhile, come the day of Brexit I and many like me shall celebrate...

bearbehind · 07/05/2018 17:15

hey, if all you are going to do is spout more sound bites there's no point in engaging with you either.

I asked what your solution for NI is.

You clearly haven't got the first clue so just resort to a bit more flag waving rhetoric.

I wouldn't start chilling your champagne for your celebrations just yet.

Unless TM comes up with something radical (never going to happen is current progress is anything to gauge by) we'll be staying in SM/CU.

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bearbehind · 07/05/2018 17:17

I could tell you the sky is blue and you would find a way to tell me it is actually green.

(Lost the first part of my last post)

It's Leavers who are insisting the sky is green right now, yet providing absolutely no evidence to prove that.

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Heyduggeesflipflop · 07/05/2018 17:22

Bearbehind

I do so love our chats...

But the key difference between us is that my side won a national referendum and... yours - not so much.

I will leave you to your echo chamber :)

bearbehind · 07/05/2018 17:24

hey, I don't enjoy our chats at all.

You are are epitome of all I hate about Leave.

There always was a bit more to it than 'we won, you lost'

Sadly we're in this mess because people like you failed to acknowledge that and still can't see it.

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Heyduggeesflipflop · 07/05/2018 17:32

Thanks bear :)

There are sound arguments for leaving the eu - you just close your ears to them

I will be magnanimous here and say - In all truth - I concede there were also sound reasons to remain

That’s the problem with us rabid leavers - able to take a binary choice and pick the best option

Meanwhile you can’t even concede leavers ever had a point

That is why this is an echo chamber of a thread and that’s why you won’t hear any dissenting voices. People know there is no point talking to you

bearbehind · 07/05/2018 17:41

hey I've yet to hear a single argument for Leaving that justifies the price we will pay to do so.

That's the issue here.

Leavers had tunnel visioned notions of no FOM etc without thinking about the consequences.

In many cases those things didn't even directly affect them, unlike the fall out from Brexit will do.

Actions have consequences and the fact is Leavers (at best) didn't think beyond their own personal aims and consider the repercussions.

I don't expect you to reply with an earth shattering argument because I know you simply don't have one that stretches beyond 'we won, you lost'

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Heyduggeesflipflop · 07/05/2018 17:54

We won you lost... :)

I don’t want to wake up in 20 years time and find we are part of an eu superstate (‘ever closer union’) that I didn’t vote for

They say democracy isn’t true unless you can get rid of those who rule you. So I feel vindicated - it’s hard enough leaving the bloody eu now let alone in the future.

Ps - I don’t care if Brexit costs me money; for me and many others it was never about money.

As I say enjoy the echos! :)

bearbehind · 07/05/2018 18:00

Ps - I don’t care if Brexit costs me money

Says someone who it clearly won't make any difference to.

Funny how a vote to leave wasn't going to cost anyone anything pre-referendum isn't it.

In fact, we were all going to be better off and anything else was Project Fear.

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CardinalSin · 07/05/2018 18:13

"I Don't care if Brexit costs money"

That about sums it up.

Brexit is costing lives. It's costing the UK place in the world. It's about so much more than money.

There's all the little things...

Peregrina · 07/05/2018 18:34

I could tell you the sky is blue and you would find a way to tell me it is actually green.

This depends on the language you are speaking: las - blue for sky, las - green for grass.

lljkk · 07/05/2018 18:46

my side won a national referendum and... yours - not so much.

My side won a Referendum in the 1970s, Why wasn't that Result left to stand? Why did wanna-be-Leavers moan about it for 40+ years? 40+ years is a long time of rabid whinging, methinks. EuroSkeptic brigade always were super smug.

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bearbehind · 07/05/2018 18:52

It really does sicken me that the argument is now literally nothing more than 'will of the people'

That always was the overriding sentiment but even now, when its blindingly obvious it's going to be an unmitigated disaster, it's still the party line.

Still, we will not be leaving SM/CU which is some minor consolation, except it just means noone has 'won'

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DGRossetti · 07/05/2018 21:12

"I Don't care if Brexit costs money"

Let's hope the people that say that never get to meet the people that do care ... especially the ones who voted leave for £350 million a week to go to the NHS, not be asked to bring a valid debit/credit card to an NHS appointment....

frumpety · 08/05/2018 05:43

But as we haven't left yet , how can you be so sure you have won Hey ?

frumpety · 08/05/2018 06:53

I don’t want to wake up in 20 years time and find we are part of an eu superstate (‘ever closer union’) that I didn’t vote for

Who are you ? Sleeping beauty ? Wink

surferjet · 08/05/2018 07:00

It's pathetic
I'm appalled
a disgrace

Ahh, bearbehinds very own thread to rant on about how miserable she still is over Brexit.

I wonder what people like bear did before the internet?

frumpety · 08/05/2018 07:13

To be fair to Bear , Surfer , Brexit is unique , I don't think I have ever come across a situation before in the UK that has had the population so divided. This division concerns me.

mummmy2017 · 08/05/2018 07:24

I really do wonder about the remains on here.
If the MPs who get briefs on our exit are still in favour of leave, do you not think maybe they know stuff you don't
We voted to go and nothing I see makes me think it won't happen.
TM is on a sticky wicket.. the EU don't even want her latest fudge... No we will go .... Just wait and see.

frumpety · 08/05/2018 07:34

Or we might not go Mummy , I do not have the infallible faith you have in our current crop of MP's to be able to pull off anything , other than their own clothes at the end of the day and I have the feeling some will probably struggle with that. And that goes for all MP's across the political spectrum Smile

mummmy2017 · 08/05/2018 07:53

We triggered A50...

I think that will be the reason we go.

lljkk · 08/05/2018 08:26

Ireland is screwed if we Brexit. There is clearly no solution that conforms with GFA.

I half wonder if EU should accept whatever Ireland-border solution Boris-ReesMogg-etc. propose. I think it might be wide open borders no-controls-at-all they like (in practice. Then Ireland will see a huge economic boost of former-smugglers importing any old shit into UK. And any old person. It can be a new route for would-be asylum seekers & illegal immigrants. I mean, UK doesn't want to bother to properly "control" that border, do they?