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bearbehind · 03/05/2018 10:36

Since BrexitArmsLandlady says she isn't starting anymore threads here's a place to discuss Brexit developments for those that still want to.

It never ceases to amaze me what a shambles this is.

The cabinet still can't even agree what we want, let alone what we're going to get.

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GhostofFrankGrimes · 08/05/2018 08:46

Ps - I don’t care if Brexit costs me money; for me and many others it was never about money.

Weren't you on another thread complaining about how the left don't care about the working classes? Your Brexit vote has condemned every working class community in the UK to more hardship.

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bearbehind · 08/05/2018 09:09

I really do wonder about Leavers on here.

I simply didn't not understand how you have such blind faith in being lead by a government that doesn't appear to have a clue what it is doing.

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frumpety · 08/05/2018 09:15

And when the governments own 'briefs' on what the UK would look like after Brexit , say it would be worse off in every Leave scenario ......

GhostofFrankGrimes · 08/05/2018 09:27

I simply didn't not understand how you have such blind faith in being lead by a government that doesn't appear to have a clue what it is doing.

Because leaving is perception, it is symbolic. They say they don't care about the country being poorer at the same time as seeing themselves as patriots. You cannot reason with people like this.

Back in the real world, surveys suggest most leavers do not want a Brexit that will make them worse off.

Conclusion - the leavers on here represent a tiny subset of brexiteers who I suspect might just be on a wind up mission or are just so bitter about their lot in life want to see the liberal/elite/middle class/average joe suffer.

Doubletrouble99 · 08/05/2018 10:27

So IIjkk tell me how all this contraband and illegals is going to get to the ROI in the first place in order to be smuggled across the border into NI?
Don't you realise that approximately 4/5ths of ROI's total imports are transited through the UK in the first place! Why on earth would someone ship something through the UK only to get it into the UK via NI!

JWIM · 08/05/2018 10:37

The Irish Gov't is already taking steps to alter their transport infrastructure so that far less will be imported to RoI via the UK after Brexit.

More to the point - why does the 'leave' contingent want a UK with a porous border with the EU when the first mantra is 'take back control of our borders'?

DGRossetti · 08/05/2018 10:42

More to the point - why does the 'leave' contingent want a UK with a porous border with the EU when the first mantra is 'take back control of our borders'?

Because they are a bit dim ? Anyone who falls for "bent bananas" isn't really applying their full mental power to the issue, are they ?

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bearbehind · 08/05/2018 11:48

This article sums up the CU fiasco quite well

The last oaragraph is particularly apt

Almost two years after the referendum, we do not know what we want, the ideas we have suggested are unacceptable not only to the EU but to half the Cabinet and a large number of MPs, and we still are not even talking about potential outcomes that are practically possible. This is a farce, but could easily turn into a tragedy

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DGRossetti · 08/05/2018 12:03

This is a farce, but could easily turn into a tragedy

Typical liberal elite comment.

It has turned to tragedy.

mummmy2017 · 08/05/2018 12:30

That is because the only real way forward is being fudged by TM who is getting splinters from sitting on the fence. There is no application of an agreement to stay and go that works.... She needs to pull on her big girl pants and leave the CU and SM as she promised.... or walk away if she can't hack it....

Doubletrouble99 · 08/05/2018 12:33

Because they're a bit dim! OK so that's what you really think will engage leavers with your debate?

No matter how much ROI changes it's routes for goods illegal immigrants are simply not going to use these routes to get to the UK.
Have you any idea how long the crossing is from main land Europe to ROI? Illegals would be unlikely to try it as opposed to the tunnel which gives them direct access to the SE in under an hour where they blend into the community very easily.
Currently the routes go from the west of France why would they go all the way over there. What would they do once in ROI? How would they then get to NI? Do you really think no one would notice them! Do you really think they want to be in NI?
As for contraband, are you talking about goods from outwith the EU? because if you are then most of that is transited through northern Europe and it would be a heck of a stretch to suggest it then be sent off to the ROI in order to get over the border with NI in any large quantity.

Heyduggeesflipflop · 08/05/2018 12:35

I tell you one thing Brexit has managed - it identifies all the smug middle classes who don’t want to step off the eu gravy train

Said it before - don’t like the uk then go and live in your beloved eu.

DGRossetti · 08/05/2018 12:47

Because they're a bit dim! OK so that's what you really think will engage leavers with your debate?

I've hardly made it a secret. And I've previously noted that I've had many interesting debates with "Leavers" who had some very cogent reasons for their stance. None of which has appeared in this (or other Brexit) threads. And none of them ever wanted to be in the position we're in now - where leaving the EU is being treated as a political football by a bunch of fanaticized posh people.

My "debate" can be reduced to a sentence.

"I think the UK is better off in the EU, but if it is to leave, it should be through a carefully curated plan, known to all parties in advance, and which is transparent to the electorate."

Over to you ....

JWIM · 08/05/2018 12:48

Double perhaps you might address the question I posed about a porous border between the EU and UK (whether or not it is utilised) that seems contrary to the leave statement to 'take control of our borders'.

surferjet · 08/05/2018 13:27

Heyduggeesflipflop
I can understand the Tony Blair’s of this world being anti Brexit because they will lose money, ( the gravy train has come to an end guys, sorry ) I can even understand the Gina Millers because their business owners who want to make life as easy as possible - what I don’t understand is why the likes of bearbehind ( random nobodies ) are so angry that we’re leaving?
What have they got to lose? Why are they so passionate about it?
It’s really weird.

Heyduggeesflipflop · 08/05/2018 13:30

Surfer jet

I know - my issue with them is this: I can see sound reasons to remain, yes people on this thread simply cannot concede that any leave vote had a point

They accuse us of fanaticism but they cannot see both sides.

So they stamp their feet and huff and puff

mummmy2017 · 08/05/2018 13:47

Best description of remain.
A toddler at a play area..
Told time to leave and has each finger removed from the death grip on the netting of the play area one finger at a time....

GlassOfPort · 08/05/2018 14:08

@surferjet
A random nobody here: I am passionate about remaining because I work in a sector (biomedical research), which is utterly dependent on the ability of British Universities to recruit talented scientists from across Europe

We are already seeing less of them coming; I may well follow their lead, and Heyduggees will be glad to know that my DH and I are actively looking for jobs overseas

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bearbehind · 08/05/2018 14:18

what I don’t understand is why the likes of bearbehind ( random nobodies ) are so angry that we’re leaving?
What have they got to lose? Why are they so passionate about it? It’s really weird.

That's the problem isn't it?

You simply don't care about anyone except yourself so as long as you're alright, you don't give a toss about the repercussions for others.

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GhostofFrankGrimes · 08/05/2018 14:18

They accuse us of fanaticism but they cannot see both sides.

The leave "arguments" have been debunked.Its the fact that despite knowing Brexit will economically damage the country and effect the pooerest most people still want to go through with it!

Heyduggeesflipflop · 08/05/2018 14:19

Glass of port

Well done and Bon chance (as they say in Europe) - you get extra points for taking ghost of with you...

GhostofFrankGrimes · 08/05/2018 14:21

Well done and Bon chance (as they say in Europe) - you get extra points for taking ghost of with you...

nah, I'm sticking around to watch the patriots as the Great ship Brexit sinks under its own delusions.

DGRossetti · 08/05/2018 14:22

Seems mummy2017 is confusing the real world, with a childrens play area. I find myself if their solution to international tensions is a spell on the naughty step ?

mummmy2017 · 08/05/2018 14:37

I think you will find your already on the naughty step.... you can come off when you stop stamping your feet about it being time time to leave the EU...

JWIM · 08/05/2018 14:56

And a porous border is OK with leavers who advocate that the reason for leaving the EU is to 'take back control of our borders'?