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Not the Brexit Arms

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bearbehind · 03/05/2018 10:36

Since BrexitArmsLandlady says she isn't starting anymore threads here's a place to discuss Brexit developments for those that still want to.

It never ceases to amaze me what a shambles this is.

The cabinet still can't even agree what we want, let alone what we're going to get.

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okdok · 09/05/2018 20:46

I told an acquaintance yesterday that I was depressed about Brexit. She said I shouldn't complaint as we have it better than Syria.

queenofsass · 09/05/2018 20:48

Genuine question.If the EU do not agree a deal that is favourable to the UK, what incentive would there be for us to pay one penny of the 'divorce' settlement?

lljkk · 09/05/2018 20:57

Would be like demanding access to the children and the house and garden after divorce but refusing to pay any maintenance for them.

I dunno, what's it like to be Mauritania? The only country in world that trades solely under WTO rules.

DGRossetti · 09/05/2018 21:13

We were losing our industry to overseas competition, long before we were in the EEC.

As far as I remember, big business wanted the UK to be in the EEC very early on - certainly by the 70s ?

The EEC started with coal and steel ...

mummmy2017 · 09/05/2018 21:51

And now we have no coal or steel as EU is cheaper to buy ready made from.

mummmy2017 · 09/05/2018 21:53

Why is it so wrong to want the UK to grow... become more than it because we now need to pull our socks up... that is why we voted out....a vote for a change.... a better way forward than being an EU state.

Peregrina · 09/05/2018 21:59

No one is talking about the UK not wanting to grow, but I have yet to see a Leaver tell us how they expect this to happen.

My understanding that a big competitor for the supply of steel was China. I didn't know that China was in the EU - you learn something new each day. Grin

Coal - why don't we have any working deep mines now? Ah yes, a certain Maggie Thatcher wanted to smash the power of the miners union. A home grown politician as I recall, but also one who believed in the Single Market and actively promoted it.

mummmy2017 · 09/05/2018 22:56

Part of EU trade deal lead to dumping of cheap steel....
How can we no what it holds when never been done before.....
Change isn't always bad.... Just some people are scared of change.

okdok · 09/05/2018 22:59

So why did the Brexit Arms close down then? Was Mummy the only customer left?

KevinTurvey · 10/05/2018 02:46

mummy sounds like she's been at the cooking sherry.

frumpety · 10/05/2018 06:46

Queen the UK committed to projects financially as a member state of the EU , so will pay for those projects , including long term ones . This is a reciprocal arrangement so projects in the UK will also still be paid for by the other 27 countries following Brexit.

Peregrina · 10/05/2018 07:07

I suspect that it was the Leavers who were scared of change - the ones who wanted to turn the clock back to the 1950s when we still had something of an Empire.

As a number of us have already said, we would have less anger at the Leave vote if there was a coherent plan, with a list of all the areas which need to be negotiated and a proper timescale to implement it. But nearly two years on from the Referendum, what do we see? A Cabinet which can't agree what they want. Key issues like withdrawing from Euratom (nowhere on the Referendum paper) leaving an open question as to what we do about Cancer treatments. Participation in Galileo and therefore GPS/Security still to be discussed. Let's not get started on the International Treaty which is the Good Friday Agreement, because apparently something will turn up there for the Leavers. So there is nothing wrong with change, there is everything wrong with not preparing for it.

surferjet · 10/05/2018 07:19

So why did the Brexit Arms close down then? Was Mummy the only customer left?

I opened the original Brexit Arms not long after the referendum in an attempt to bring both sides together in a more relaxed, less heated venue ( so to speak )
It didn’t really work.
But I carried on for about another 4 threads?
I stopped because the threads were becoming troll heaven - banned posters were rejoining just to post offensive nonsense towards leavers. I think one remainer gobshite rejoined about 10 times just to post on the Brexit Arms.
It was time to give up.
Brexit Arms landlady took over for a few threads but nothing changed.
Each thread saw less & less posts from leavers, not because we’re embarrassed by the whole Brexit process, or just too dim to debate anything ( as remainers like to think ) but because, after 2 years it’s just got boring talking to the same people about the same things. You know what people are going to say before they’ve even said it 💤

There’s more Brexit talk on the main boards these days with far more posters joining in.

What the Brexit Arms proved though, is that both ‘sides’ will never agree on anything. Not on here anyway.

frumpety · 10/05/2018 08:20

Maybe a name change , The Brexit beach bar, happy hour cocktails ?

lljkk · 10/05/2018 08:29

I would have thought one thing both sides could agree on is that the negotiations are a balls-up. If you fervently believe in LEAVE then you're not going to get your coveted freedom. If you despair that REMAIN lost then you're getting widely stuffed in a million ways, all against your will, with zero gains.

I would have thought BOTH sides should be moaning loudly at this point.

Doubletrouble99 · 10/05/2018 08:55

This turning the clock back and Empire stuff is a load of balls and you know it Peregrina.

You all go on about there should have been a plan but since the then government never thought we would win we all know what happened, DC had no plan.
Loads of leavers had ideas about how we should leave but we are completely restrained by the EU and their processes. There are so many different parts that need negotiating and many people are working on it at the same time. The remainers' idea that there still is no plan is a load of bollocks, there are loads of plans but they can't all be put out in the public domain as we are in the middle of a negotiation. What bit of that don't you understand.
Peregrina - your assertion that Euratom wasn't on the referendum paper or that no one had thought of Galileo are just ridiculous. Most of us had never heard of either of these things. If they were so important then remain should have been pointing them out. But guess what!!!

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bearbehind · 10/05/2018 09:10

The remainers' idea that there still is no plan is a load of bollocks, there are loads of plans but they can't all be put out in the public domain as we are in the middle of a negotiation

😂😂😂😂😂

The sad thing is you actually believe that.

You might want to look at the fact the cabinet can't even decide on which one of 2 options re CU they want, even though they have both already been rejected by the EU.

You really are kidding yourself if you honestly think there are magic solutions we're just not bring told about!

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GhostofFrankGrimes · 10/05/2018 09:18

So many leaver contradictions. They claim to know what they were voting for at the same time as admitting they didn’t know what euratom was. It was remainers fault for not tell them, despite everything we said being denounced as project fear.

Peregrina · 10/05/2018 09:23

Peregrina - your assertion that Euratom wasn't on the referendum paper or that no one had thought of Galileo are just ridiculous.

Far far from being ridiculous. DS works for the UKAEA and I asked him whether Brexit would affect them. No, different treaty, I was told. It therefore came as a bolt from the blue to the management, who weren't consulted, to find out that Theresa May had lumped withdrawing from Euratom into Brexit. So maybe Joe and Jill Bloggs hadn't thought of it, but the Government certainly should have done. I suspect Theresa May thought that she could cherry pick and say she was opting out, but then quietly opt back in again. I also suspect that she hadn't got a clue of what the ramifications would be.

frumpety · 10/05/2018 09:27

The Commission, as European Union negotiator, will ensure a maximum level of transparency during the whole negotiating process.
Commission negotiating documents which are shared with EU Member States, the European Council, the European Parliament, the Council, national parliaments, and the United Kingdom will be released to the public.

Peregrina · 10/05/2018 09:28

As to why Theresa May chose to opt out of Euratom, the only reason we could think of is that it eventually became subject to rulings of the ECJ - which is a big big no -no for the Brexshitters, so Euratom had to go. Since the Management of the Atomic Industry weren't consulted it does suggest that Theresa May hadn't much idea of what she was doing, or they would have been able to tell her.

time4chocolate · 10/05/2018 09:38

This turning the clock back and Empire stuff is a load of balls and you know it Peregrina.

Couldn’t agree more - this constant harking back to the Commonwealth, Empire, Nazi Germany blah blah blah is bollocks. Most of us have moved on from that, it’s history, we have learnt from the past and we move on. The future is where it’s at and like it or not we have voted for change. If you want to keep referring back to the past then knock yourself out but most people have moved on.

IF Brexit doesn’t happen or we get BINO then I will live with that, the U.K. will not go back to as it was and won’t be any rosier. However, we would have tried to make a change in a democratic way (one person, one vote).If people want to undo that then that’s up to them and their definition of democracy.

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bearbehind · 10/05/2018 09:43

IF Brexit doesn’t happen or we get BINO then I will live with that, the U.K. will not go back to as it was and won’t be any rosier.

What is the point in all this then?

However, we would have tried to make a change in a democratic way (one person, one vote)

But screwed it up by not bothering to think anything through and just work on the basis that you want it so it must be able to happen.

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time4chocolate · 10/05/2018 10:41

Does someone on this Board work for the Guardian??

It’s another ‘may’,‘possibly’,’could’ article, but give them their due they really know how to play to their readers.