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Ever closer to Brexit! 🥂 🍻 🍾

Remainers are welcome, as ever.

But!

If you just want to abuse Brexiteers, then start your own thread.

This is a pub thread, not an interrogate-a-Brexiteer thread

We have more in common etc, even if Brexit divides us.

Massive drinkers Cardinal , well you need to keep your chops moist for brass playing , I imagine ?

Interesting thread here:

twitter.com/simonfrcox/status/981676600117821440?s=21

How would leavers & remainers feel about this BINO?

I am still in the 'It wont happen' camp, just . If it does happen, I think it will be BINO and it will be drawn out over a much longer period. Not because I think those in Government want to do that necessarily, more that it is such a complex situation.

Agreed frumpety. Leavers are still just in cloud cuckoo land where none of the issues need to be resolved and all that matters is they won.

That's just going to result in BINO due to lack of alternatives.

I used to think it wouldn’t happen but I accept that, as things stand, it will. So BINO looks the least worst (and only practice) option.

It does grate that the Tories will spin it to be a marvellous success when very little will have changed (just less influence and bizarrely less say in regulations!) but the feeling of being ruled by Brussels will have gone I guess.

the feeling of being ruled by Brussels will have gone I guess.

I don't think it will with the swivel-eyed bunch; they will be very unhappy that we have even less control than we do now.

There's a huge number of people who have never been and will never be directly adversely affected on a day to day basis by decisions made in Brussels so they will not notice a difference.

Let's face it, not many people really cared about Brussels either way before all this got stirred up.

There was an article on the BBC website about the company producing the blue passports. BTL, lots of leavers tying themselves in knots wanting protectionism and open global trade deals at the same time. The Brexit paradox.

The Patrick Kielty programme is definitely worth watching.

3 orchestral players and a brass band member in my HH. It can be noisy.

Hopefully the Patrick Kielty programme educated some leavers on the fragility of peace and importance of maintaining the GFA.

I would agree Howabout. What do you think should happen in NI regarding the GFA/BA/peace agreement and the rights of NI citizens to be Irish or UK or both, and the border? Is it worth sacrificing the peace agreement for Brexit?

Ghost - I don't know any leavers 'tying themselves in knots' about the production of the passports. It's certainly more than a bit ironic!
I think that the Daily Mail are the ones that are trying to stir things up actually.

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JWIM and Ghost not sure if you have watched the programme? The conclusion as I heard it was that the people are some way ahead of the politicians and the political apparatus, including the GFA and solutions to the "Brexit border".

Ok I will bite.

Bear behind - ‘swivel eyed loons’?

Are you really suggesting millions upon millions of people in this country who voted out can be called that? Are you really saying none of them might have had a point? If so your arrogance is staggering.

Any sense you (think you may) talk will never get far using that kind of dismissive language.

You need to accept that for every leave ultra (and I am proud to be such) also has their ultra remained counterpart (dare I say, you) who didn’t find anything wrong with decade upon decade of movement towards ever closer political union. All of which was done without asking the British public whether they wanted that or not. And all of which was done for that most vulgar of reasons - wealth. That wealth largely (but I agree not totally) benefitted London and trampled all over regional communities (yes we are back at immigration) to do so.

And all of which was done for that most vulgar of reasons - wealth. That wealth largely (but I agree not totally) benefitted London and trampled all over regional communities (yes we are back at immigration) to do so.

This makes no sense. Deprived regions are screaming out for money - they want and need wealth. It is consecutive British governments that have ignored their plight.

Are you really suggesting millions upon millions of people in this country who voted out can be called that? Are you really saying none of them might have had a point?

I very specifically referred to a minority's bunch who are hell bent on Brexit at any cost, those are the swivel-eyed ones IMO.

And I don't believe they 'have a point', largely because, as you've demonstrated, they are unable to articulate it.

Brexiters have got consistently almost nothing material to say (and if they do happen to state something material, they tend to drop the thread on first polemic response). They just sit there spewing pointless cheers, personal attacks and hopefully latching on to any strong wording by frustrated Remainers to win a few free moral high ground posts.

Ghost's Brexit paradox post was excellent. Protectionism and global free trade. Have cake and eat it. Severely damage our core industries and have a flourishing NHS. Vote against immigration only to still have all that immigration and additionally let Priti and Boris open the floodgates to non-EU immigration. Want a white Britain like it was back in the day and vote for Brexit, etc. It's an endless stream of basic logic failures. What could go wrong?

Brexiteers also forget about the influx of migrants from India/Pakistan - in the 50s/60s long before EU membership. I remember as a child in the 80's rampant racism and jibes about people running corner shops. In the 2000's this seemed to be replaced by racism against those running Polish deli's.

Ghost of - agree regional communities need wealth. But not uncontrolled immigration. That is the fault of the eu (‘ever closer union’) for insisting on it and the uk government being complicit in it.

Bear - if you cannot concede that those - millions upon millions - of people who voted leave have a point on some level then frankly there is no point in talking to you. That being so I can only assume you frequent this thread (self ashamedly pro Brexit) simply to goad.

Ghost of may be a left wing fruit loop (see we can all use unhelpful language) but at least she is honest that’s what she is.

All you do is zealously pursue your agenda that the sky will fall in. Well it hasn’t and it won’t.

Why did I vote leave? ‘Ever closer political union’ - that’s why. Even the eu itself is honest about the long term aims you consistently brush over.

Ghost of - agree regional communities need wealth. But not uncontrolled immigration. That is the fault of the eu (‘ever closer union’) for insisting on it and the uk government being complicit in it.

As leavers here have been told countless times, migrants go where there are jobs - cities. When they do venture out of to rural/smaller towns its to fill jobs where this is a shortage of local labour. Why else are farmers and the hospitality industry now worrying about lack of EU workers post Brexit?

Ghost of may be a left wing fruit loop (see we can all use unhelpful language) but at least she is honest that’s what she is.

Dear leavers on the BA never complain about insults again.

Why did I vote leave? ‘Ever closer political union’ - that’s why

You need to learn to develop your arguments beyond shit slogans and clichés.

@Heyduggeesflipflop

Don't worry about EU immigation. Those already in will stay (sorry surferjet), new arrivals are increasingly unlikely, as exhibited by the latest immigration figures. Why? Let's look at GDP PPP/capita (2016 data)?

Germany $48k
UK $42k
Poland $ 28k

Basically, not that much of a reason to bother anymore.
In contrast, we have:

India $6.5k
Pakistan $5.5k

As always: food for thought :)

Ghost of - you and bear behind ignore what you don’t want to hear - supply and demand will of course mean labour goes where it is needed. That’s fine when those people are uk nationals. What is not ok is when areas unprepared for it have unrestrained immigration put upon them.

But you knew that anyway.

We are simply rehashing the thread that was closed now. Why don’t you set up your own thread somewhere else...

You could call it the eu orchestra appreciation thread....

There are not enough British people to fill vacancies. The country needs immigration. See the NHS for further details. It is not "unrestrained" if foreign workers are needed!