Leavers Lagoon - all systems are go. all lights are green

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Good news yesterday < gets out green highlighter >
Still work to be done but it’s another step in the right direction.

Ps: completely given up on the Brexit Arms as it’s been taken over by remainers.
This is our chilled out place to post on in the run up to March 2019.

Positive people only

gardengeek even if local fisherman had the respect you talk about (and I don't doubt they do) the likes of JRM or BJ would find a way to make a quick buck and spoil it for everyone- that's exactly why they want to Leave.

I love how when leave have a point. Your cross and say it's not worth talking about. And yes I am laughing about it.
GARDENGEEK your so right.it's the EU who have said small fish youth's can be caught. Raping the sea for profit.... for 40 years

mummmy you absolutely don't have a point.

a) Fishing is virtually irrelevant in the grand scheme of things.

b) Allowing fisherman to catch whatever they like would empty the seas.

c) it's not going to happen anyway because we are going to have to continue to abide by EU rules in order to retain the access we need for far more important industries like finance and car manufacturing

What exactly is 'your point'?

@mummy2017

Not sure you do have a point, and you keep ignoring basic questions. How prevalent is this problem? What's the scale of the issue? What % of UK's annual catch gets wasted this way?

London EVERY boat that goes out catches fish not in their quota and has to dump good quality fish that could have been sold.

Watch one of the documentary about fishing to find out what I am saying is true.
I am not saying plunder the sea. I am saying the quota should include the catch being landed. Making the boats outing profitable.. And a different way to allow for the unavoidable fish caught in the net . Most catches are logged at the harbour... So easy to do..

"the whole point of brexit for fishermen is to stop others from pillaging the land."

I don't understand this @GardenGeek. Are we running out of fish in UK waters because of UK rules, or as I have read - the rules have actually ensured sustainability?

It also sounds a bit like an economic argument which obviously can be instantly dismissed on the basis of general irrelevance of fishing to the overall economy compared with the major sectors.

BJ can't make them go out and fish

gardengeek, don't be so sure, werent those immigrant cockle pickles killed just trying to make a living?

London you do know just how much fish is taken by non UK boats... It's a lot. Why do you think the EU is so worried about it.......

gardengeek could you explain why you think the fishing industry will take priority over the car industry for example?

The latter is far more important to the UK.

We will concede any fishing rights in order to access more important rights.

The EU said if we take back our fishing rights, they will decrease the size so more young fish are caught so they can still catch the ones in their own waters.
Belgium and Dutch fisherman are very worried as well over half the catch of their fleets are from our waters... they will lose this in 18 months time.

I've asked for references and of course haven't received any so I've found this.

Discarding fish under the Common Fisheries Policy: Towards an end to mandated waste
www.europarl.europa.eu/RegData/bibliotheque/briefing/2013/130436/LDM_BRI(2013)130436_REV1_EN.pdf

Quick points:

1. Discarding happens for a number of reasons regardless of any regulation.
2. There are no simple solutions to this complex problem, contrary to populist suggestions

"The EU fishing sector is engaged in a
number of projects to reduce discards.
However, fishing representatives took a
more opposed stance to a generalised
discard ban in their interventions during a
hearing on discards organised in 2011. The
European Association of Fish Producers
Organisations (EAPO), the European
Association of National Organisations of
Fishery Enterprises (Europêche) and the
European Organisation of EU cooperatives
in Fisheries (Cogeca) gave a common view10
on the Commission proposal. They also
jointly concur, recognising that discards are
an "unacceptable waste of natural resources
that must be addressed", but they highlight
that the "simplistic and populist approach of
a total ban on discards will not work" and
that discard measures have to be put in an
"operational and managerial context of
fisheries". "

gardengeek, an unfortunate typo didn't help!

Pickers not pickles.

Years ago there were a lot of immigrants who drowned picking cockles in the UK.

I'm suggesting that the more irresponsible in this country would find people so desperate they'd fish the seas dry if it made them money.

@mummy2017

"London you do know just how much fish is taken by non UK boats... It's a lot. "

How much? How much will our economy gain from this? An extra 0.25%? References pls. We are basically wagering 20% to gain < 0.5%... sheer lunacy!

@GardenGeek I would appreciate your directly answering my questions above instead of repeating this protection of the land mantra. Thanks.

You want the sea treated like land and protected. You hope Brexit will achieve that.

It won't. They have already ceded the fishing argument. It is a very small part of the economy they will trade fishing rights for bigger concessions. If you voted Brexit to 'take back control of our waters' then you wasted your time.

The point about fishing as apposed to other industries is that we want to regain the fishing rights to our own waters. The EU decimated our fishing industry. We have to be able to set our own quotas and have a much more sensible approach to fishing in our own waters.
The fishing industry is entirely ruled by quotas, why would any of you use the ridiculous assumption that our fishermen will just ignore their quotas and fish as they wish - rubbish. Boats have home ports the quota and catch for each boat is tightly monitored. Why would us having control make any difference? British fishermen have always been the ones that stick to the rules unlike many of the other countries.

double that's just reminiscent nonsense.

The fishing industry isn't worth fighting over in the grand schemes of things.