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No kicking off on this thread!!!

Bear has kindly set up another (non-pub) thread, so that leaves this one free for the Brexiteers!!!

Good speech by Theresa May today - onwards to Brexit 🍻🇬🇧

WHAT do you want?
Please explain
as at the moment all I think you want is unicorn dust

Have already stated this.

It's on the previous thread.

Good morning
Thanks to JWIM and Agnes for details and links about EFTA
If you look at Agnes link to EFTA it gives an interactive map of all their free trade deals. Interesting they did their deal with South Korea in 2006, EU in 2011. EFTA/South Korea FTA seems to be similar to EU's in my opinion.
Also have them with Canada and Mexico, but not USA, and only individual agreements per Country with China.

The EFTA court, looks like a good place/model to start with/base new UK/EU court.
IF you google it,
I found 2 articles about using post Brexit
Lse How EFTA court works and why it's an option for post brexit Britain (25/8/17) and the Institute for Government also recommended (14/12/2017)
To be fair Politico wasn't so sure or keen
Sorry I can't link, and wonder if that is to serious for a pub thread
Don't want to be barred

Also see JRM on BBC website says, writing in Telegraph, Brexiteers will have some concerns with Theresa May's latest speech, but now is not time to nit pick.
Nicky Morgan, in same paper, welcome speech's "welcome dose of realism"

So maybe Mrs May has managed to unite both sides of the Conservative party for now. Now just the rest of country and the EU needs to accept her ideals

Another question does the UKFTA need to be done before March 2019, or if we agree transition period, can we use that period to conclude the finer details of our new UKFTA.
I genuinely believe a UKFTA, based on the EFTA, could be a decent compromise, and subdue the majority of the angst on both sides
That's my opinion
Enjoy the weekend

There will be no UKFTA, or other major trade deals for years, and when they do arrive they will be much worse than what we've got today. It will be a long and painful lesson on idiocracy (hopefully not as bad as the one in 1930s-1940s).

It will be a long and painful lesson on idiocracy (hopefully not as bad as the one in 1930s-1940s).

Im confused by this.

What 'lesson on idiocracy' in the 30s/40s?

That is in reference to the fact that by 1933, the Nazi Party was the largest elected party in the German Reichstag. The power of democracy!

That is in reference to the fact that by 1933, the Nazi Party was the largest elected party in the German Reichstag. The power of democracy!

Riiiight....

So, what does this mean then?

It will be a long and painful lesson on idiocracy (hopefully not as bad as the one in 1930s-1940s).

So LondonMum8 - while you’re being honest - do you think every leave voter is a Nazi?

Yes, it's pretty clear that nationalism and racism were the actual main drivers of the Leave vote. You yourself admitted you didn't care about the economy, NI peace etc. You just wanted "those people" out of the country and prioritised the Nation over the Union of Nations.

London you must be really rattled if that's the barrel you're scraping.

Don't think there is much point guaging EU reaction till Germany finally sorts out its Government and Italy gets over its election. Things in Spain not looking very stable either. Just as well we have Jupiter in France or I might be tempted to agree that its best just to have Juncker in charge.

All with heavy support from the Daily Mail, the well-known peddlers and supporters of nazism since the 1930s.

Well, if you really need that spelled out for you, an adverse the result of the Nazi vote in Germany was 80 million people dead worldwide. So hopefully the result of the - let's be honest about it - the softcore Nazi Brexit vote won't be just as bad.

[do you think every leave voter is a Nazi?]

Yes, it's pretty clear that nationalism and racism were the actual main drivers of the Leave vote.

So you are seriously equating a vote to leave a political union & trading block to the rise of the third reich?

You appear to be suggesting that Brexit supporters are supportive of genocide, and that there is a very real probability that the result of leaving a trading agreement will be the deaths of millions of people?

Do you think that Brexit will be a catalyst for war?
Really?

"London you must be really rattled if that's the barrel you're scraping. shock"

Typically enough, that's not really much of a material rebuke. I guess at least the truth is still a bit uncomfortable.

Whilst I don't agree with the comparison to Nazis, I am really struggling to understand Leavers motivations for voting for Brexit after yesterday's development.

No one on here seems bothered in the slightest that we're now heading for a very costly BINO where we have less access, need more infrastructure and are still going to pay the EU.

What is the point?

Typically enough, that's not really much of a material rebuke. I guess at least the truth is still a bit uncomfortable.

So what's the 'truth'?!

You sound like you've a touch of the David Icke's at the mo.

You yourself admitted you didn't care about the economy, NI peace etc. You just wanted "those people" out of the country and prioritised the Nation over the Union of Nations

When did I have this conversation with you?
It’s just I only noticed you about a month ago, were you here under another name?

"You appear to be suggesting that Brexit supporters are supportive of genocide,"

Here is the thing: most Nazi voters didn't vote for a genocide, they voted for work for the German people. The rest (and certainly 1945 :)) are "unintended consequences". WWII? Genocide? "Oh, we didn't think about that", "Oh, we didn't want that". Hence idiocracy.

It's clear Brexit is creating a tension between the UK and the other European nations, and hence takes us from the position of peace and prosperity towards conflict.

"You yourself admitted you didn't care about the economy, NI peace etc.

When did I have this conversation with you?"

Yesterday! You don't have a conversation with me. You post stuff on the Internet for everyone to read:

surferjet

Presumably, surfer you considered (amongst other things) things like trade, the border, EU citizens living in the UK, Uk citizens living in the EU when you voted?

Someone asked me why I didn’t consider these things when I voted leave.

Trade - What about it? Not my job or responsibility to sort out a trade agreement.
It’s not yours either so stop stressing.
We will survive outside of the EU, I know you think that’s impossible, but unless you’re running an import / export business I don’t know why you’re crying over trade deals.

The border didn’t consider it in the slightest, I doubt you did either.

EU citizens - Nope. Because I’m not one.

Uk citizens living in the EU - As above.

Faith, I wouldn’t bother, she clearly thinks voting leave is similar to voting for Hitler.
I’m just wondering why she can’t keep away from us?
I mean, if she was as disgusted with us as she claims to be ( although all the ’s she keeps adding to her posts are a bit creepy) why is she associating with us?
Empty vessels make the most noise I guess.

Where did I post I wanted ‘those people out of the country’?
That’s what you quoted me as saying. Can you link that please.

surfer you've never made any bones about the fact you votives purely because of immigration.

Do you honestly still think it's worth it?

Are you denying this? Well, even if somehow your particular motivation is different, e.g. you were concerned about an aspect of the EU governance model haha, statistically your decision was primarily driven by immigration.

The law of unintended consequences.

You vote for Brexit assuming it would go one way. When the long term consequences are significantly more damaging than you though "oh I never meant that to happen".

It's still your fault even if you didn't intend it to happen.

Bit like Merkel and the AFD then Mousse?