The Leavers Lagoon - for people positive about our future outside of the EU.

[surferjet]

Good morning

Voting to leave the European Union was a monumental decision, and one that will change the direction of our Country for decades to come.
I see that as an exciting opportunity & something to be welcomed & celebrated.

So, if you see solutions instead of problems, if you see a better future for the citizens of U.K., free from the constraints of an organisation we had no control over, then this place is for you.
Of course not everything is going to run smoothly, maybe not for years, because leaving a union drowning in red tape was never going to be easy, but we are forward thinking progressive people who know the future doesn’t just mean next week.
So, here’s to our new future,
To the future of the U.K.
The countdown begins.........

FaithHopeCharityDesperation
I appreciate I could do that, my point is this website is 18 months in the making and is pretty poor, yet you have held it up as a source of solutions and the two examples I've given are useless!

If this genuinely is an example of good leaver thinking, surely even you must admit it's all a bit worrying?

@surferjet good to know laughing helps you cope. Any thoughtful comments on how Switzerland and the UK are remotely comparable as countries (in terms of the economy and demographics for example)?

Just briefly revisiting yesterday evening's discussion on the attitude of leave voters if the government felt leaving the EU was unfeasible and best to rescind Article 50.

*Surferjet said:

I’d feel we were being lied to ...*

*Mummy said:

It would mean that there were too many lies being told, ...*

This at least gives some insight into what remain voters have been saying all along after the shameless Referendum campaign, where flagrant (and largely unchallenged) lying seemed to be fine and dandy.

Leave voters feel this way about a possible revocation of Article 50,
Remain voters feel the same way about the Referendum.
Both sides seemingly agree that lying is unacceptable. At last, some common ground.

No-one likes being guided by policy based on lies, but that's where we appear to be at the moment.

I supplied it as a source as it is entirely contributed to by 'experts' & highly qualified people, rather than MSM headlines or inane ramblings on SM.

The reason these people came together to do this after so long is explained on the webpage.

If you disagree or have issue with their analyses then they actively welcome it - they make it clear that they are not about groupthink or echo chambers.

The dominant discourse surrounding Leave voters is that they are too stupid to understand - these people can not be described as stupid at all, there's a wealth of experience, expertise & background, ranging from academics to lawyers & experts in business & economics amongst many other fields.

LondonMum8
How about you give me 15 reasons why a square is actually a circle, & black is indeed white. Also, while you’re at it, please explain to me, in this post Brexit apocalypse, why Michael McIntyre is in fact........ funny. 😱

frumpety I agree about the single market. The consensus in the leave camp seems to be that we mustn't be under the jurisdiction of the ECJ. I really want to know why leavers don't like the ECJ (other than sovereignty) but no one will tell me. It would solve so many issues not least the Irish border in one fell swoop.

Here - in full - is the template for Brexit.

Mummy and surfer can takes sides ...

The consensus in the leave camp seems to be that we mustn't be under the jurisdiction of the ECJ.

How about the UN, which the UK is under the jurisdiction of ? Of any other number of international treaties where the UK has to abide by a non-UK court ruling ?

Or are there still some morons people who confuse the ECJ with the ECtHR ?

Try and do business in the US without being under the jurisdiction of the WTO or the SCOTUS ...

frumpety, Staying in the SM and the CU means abiding by the 4 freedoms which includes FOM which isn't something leavers want. We would also have to pay into the EU without any say.
We want a free trade deal just like any other non EU country might have.

Susan - the ECJ is the court of the EU dealing entirely with EU laws. It is run with judges from each EU country so would not have a judge on it. Why would we want to still be part of a it if we are not part of the EU and not subject to EU laws?

How about you give me 15 reasons why a square is actually a circle, & black is indeed white.

@surferjet, is that your idea of a thoughtful comment?

which includes FOM which isn't something leavers want.

Which isn't something which some Leavers want. Others don't have a problem with it.

if we are not part of the EU and not subject to EU laws?

What if your trade deal makes you subject to such laws ?

DGRossetti the video you posted is extremely insightful

I suppose the reason I have no issues with the ECJ is because I believe in the rule of law. So if you're trading freely then some kind of rules have to exist and an independent body has to uphold them. Which is better than individual states arguing between themselves. Or I suppose trade embargoes.

DGRossetti the video you posted is extremely insightful

And largely unseen. It's four years old ...

Susan if we get a free trade with the EU, just like any other country who trades in this way with them we wouldn't need to comply to ECJ. The ECJ doesn't just control laws to do with trade but many other things that we would not be party to.

Can someone explain to me why people keep saying that if you have a free trade deal with the EU then you have to give every other country the same deal under favoured nation rules. That doesn't happen with the EU and S Korea or Canada or any of the other free trade agreements they have or are negotiating. They don't have to give every country the same deal.

Thread's nearly done - shame it went the same way as the others.

Nice idea though Surfer 🍷

Hope to continue to see fellow leavers around as we approach Brexit day 🥂 🇬🇧

Susan if we get a free trade with the EU, just like any other country who trades in this way with them we wouldn't need to comply to ECJ.

Do any countries have a "free trade" agreement with the EU ?

What if submitting to the ECJ is a part of a trade deal ? The alternative being the EU refuses to submit to SCOTUK as the final arbiter ?

It's patently obvious that most Leavers simply don't understand trade. They think they do, right up until the finer details emerge.

I still haven't had an answer as to why it's acceptable for the UK to have to submit to WTO rulings and SCOTUS rulings, but not ECJ rulings where - until 2019 - we actually have judges in place ???

Thread's nearly done - shame it went the same way as the others.

But inevitable.

surfer is free to start another. And another. And Another. Not realising the irony of it all ...

Hope to continue to see fellow leavers around as we approach Brexit day 🥂 🇬🇧

@FHC do you also celebrate events such as family deaths, serious medical diagnoses, job losses, or someone close to you getting conned?

Because that's in essence what celebrating Brexit amounts to.

Idea for the next thread title:

Desert(ed) Island Solutions.

Sunshine = compulsory

We all know there are many questions that need to be answered, no one is denying this, but I love how you attack and scream at the Leavers who understand that as this will happen then it's not us who will be in charge of finding them, sometimes things you don't like and can't control happen in life ..

Accepting your helpless to change it and have to follow with what happens is part of growing up, and being Adult about things.

Roll on to next thread