The Leavers Lagoon - for people positive about our future outside of the EU.

[surferjet]

Good morning

Voting to leave the European Union was a monumental decision, and one that will change the direction of our Country for decades to come.
I see that as an exciting opportunity & something to be welcomed & celebrated.

So, if you see solutions instead of problems, if you see a better future for the citizens of U.K., free from the constraints of an organisation we had no control over, then this place is for you.
Of course not everything is going to run smoothly, maybe not for years, because leaving a union drowning in red tape was never going to be easy, but we are forward thinking progressive people who know the future doesn’t just mean next week.
So, here’s to our new future,
To the future of the U.K.
The countdown begins.........

FFS mummmy, if nothing else could you learn to use your and you're correctly.

MN is not real life,

Hence my hypothetical question on this forum as to your feelings in the event of withdrawal of Article 50 by those you trust to sort it out. I really wasn't making a judgement about right or wrong.

I wouldn’t just accept it no.
But that’s not the same as you not accepting you lost.
You lost fair & square. That’s how referendums work, someone wins & someone loses.
But you can’t then turn around to the winners and say ‘Sorry, we’re not delivering what we promised because we’re actually a bit shit at our jobs’

woman
what is key, is that the law, and British law at that, is followed correctly, whether or not brexit happens.
To do what?
UK Civil servants wrote a piece of legislation
The UK Parliament voted overwhelmingly to enact it
It was enacted
Where is the problem ?

Brexit is blerdy stupid but even I am not claiming that procedure has not been followed
electoral procedures are kinda my day job

The last bastion of the stupid , spelling, it is so telling,,,

Bully's and twerps use spelling as a weapon, normal people just don't are about it.

Anyway.....I’m off to bed.

surferjet, sweet dreams....

Sorry, we’re not delivering what we promised because we’re actually a bit shit at our jobs
But what DID they promise ?
In or Out of the Customs Union ?
In or out of Europol ?
In or out of the four Freedoms ?
In or out of Euratom ?
In or out of the EMA ?
Where are the promises ?
And what makes you think a politician would actually stick to their promises on any issue, let alone a tricky one ?

Sorry, we’re not delivering what we promised because we’re actually a bit shit at our jobs
But what DID they promise ?
In or Out of the Customs Union ?
In or out of Europol ?
In or out of the four Freedoms ?
In or out of Euratom ?
In or out of the EMA ?
Where are the promises ?
And what makes you think a politician would actually stick to their promises on any issue, let alone a tricky one ?

Surferjet

So if the government and its negotiators came to the conclusion after long and exhaustive negotiations that it's not feasible, not (just) because they're "actually a bit shit at their jobs", but because they have come to the view that the obstacles to a sensible resolution are just too great, you wouldn't just accept that. I can quite understand that you would be disappointed, having, as you say, won the Referendum.

What would you then do?

We voted to leave.
What did you think that meant?
Just to leave the room?

Most leavers get panic furious at threats of stopping Brexit. M2017 is unusual in trying to insist Brexit can't be stopped.

Oh, sorry, I didn't see that you were off to bed. Have a pleasant sleep and maybe we can come back to this tomorrow.

We voted to leave. What did you think that meant? Just to leave the room?
THat would be an EXCELLENT option in my view
What do YOU think it means ?

Will you be happy when the compromise means we stay in the single market but have no say over the rules (like Norway) ?

Hasenstein this isn't what is happening.

They are not saying it can't be done, No one is saying it can't be done.
You keep asking for answers to something that won't happen, hence why we keep saying it doesn't matter, if we don't answer the question.

Ok if the EU offer to pay us 10 billion each year to stay in the EU , then we can rejoin.

mummmy
They are not saying it can't be done, No one is saying it can't be done.
Indeed, but we are nearly half way through the Article 50 time slot and NOTHING HAS BEEN DONE
All of the reviews produced by those paid to sort it out say it will be bad and try to think of ways to mitigate the damage
the politicians still talk Barnum platitudes
and NOTHING IS BEING DONE

Crashing out to WTO unelected bureaurats from 147 countries who may not allow us to join and are under the control of Trump and Xi control would destroy the UK economy.

But hey, you have belief so it will All be OK

Nite nite

Mummy

Thanks for the reply again.

We voted to leave.
What did you think that meant?

Well, I'm still trying to ascertain that myself, as no-one seems all that sure.

I'm sure those you've entrusted with handling the negotiations are aware that we voted to leave. But let's just imagine (as MN isn't real life) if they decided the light wasn't worth the candle and on mature reflection they think we'd be better of as we are, would you, like surferjet, not accept this decision, despite presenbtly being content to leave it up to them?

I thought leave meant not being an EU member and no SM or CU.
I thought since the EU would still wish to trade there would have to be a New style Trade agreement with tariffs and that we would be able make agreements with other countries.

I couldn't accept it.

It would mean that there were too many lies being told, and that someone was getting a back hander from the EU, as we know it is possible to leave.

I thought leave meant ...

Ah, therein may lie the crux of the problem. So many personal opinions about what it meant. And here we are, still no closer to knowing what everyone else thought.

Anyway, enough of my blethering for one night. I'm off for a well-earned kip.

Hasenstein sweet dreams

TalkinPeace
UK Civil servants wrote a piece of legislation
For an advisory referendum and on instruction of elected representatives.
The UK Parliament voted overwhelmingly to enact it
They voted to implement the effects of the decision to Brexit.
They did not vote to trigger @50**

May did that unilaterally.

If she/gov can choose to do that for this, what else can it choose to do on basis of advisory referendum?
It would set a very dangerous precedent. Maybe it has already.

It's not just about brexit, it's about making sure that elected reps vote on important changes to our lives, and that the law is obeyed by everyone including the government.

surferjet

Switzerland had a referendum on FOM and voted to end it by a narrow majority, similar to the UK. The government said ok we will look into how to implement this, did impact studies, came back and said that they wouldn't be doing it as it would be too damaging to the country.

mummmy2017

What did you plan for the Irish border and Gibraltar?

It's worth pointing out that Switzerland conducts regular Referenda, so does know how to conduct them. Rather than making the rules up as they go along which is what we appeared to do.

@surferjet & other Brexiters - a new website has been set up with the aim of making the positive case for brexit.

There's not much there yet as it's just been launched, but it should hopefully start to take off soon.

This is the sort of thing this thread was supposed to be about, so here's the link before the thread ends:

briefingsforbrexit.com/