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The Leavers Lagoon - for people positive about our future outside of the EU.

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surferjet · 12/02/2018 08:35

Good morning Smile

Voting to leave the European Union was a monumental decision, and one that will change the direction of our Country for decades to come.
I see that as an exciting opportunity & something to be welcomed & celebrated.

So, if you see solutions instead of problems, if you see a better future for the citizens of U.K., free from the constraints of an organisation we had no control over, then this place is for you.
Of course not everything is going to run smoothly, maybe not for years, because leaving a union drowning in red tape was never going to be easy, but we are forward thinking progressive people who know the future doesn’t just mean next week.
So, here’s to our new future,
To the future of the U.K. Wine
The countdown begins.........

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mummmy2017 · 18/02/2018 20:35

Hasenstein

A reverse is not going to happen.

It seems strange what is so plain to us, is such a hard concept for my MN-Remainers to handle. Their complete lack of understand how little control they have over anything, once the vote was taken constantly astounds me, it's like a teenage rant about how unfair life is to be dumping this on them, how they want this to change and that to change, and this has to be done and that has to be done, while they sit in their rooms and look out of the window while Real life passes by unaffected.
They decry to their friends on their mobiles, so send hugs and faces with tears on, who agree how wronged they have been, but the grown-ups who paid for the things just carry on as normal.....

woman11017 · 18/02/2018 20:37

mummmy2017 you can't reverse something which was never started.
Without the correct legal basis for triggering @50, 'brexit' may not be happening.

Hasenstein · 18/02/2018 20:37

Mummy

You asked what I thought would happen, not the law about it.

No, I asked what you would feel if the Government decided to take that step, not what you thought would happen. This was in the context of your admirably consistent approach of leaving everything up to the people "sorting it out". Would you be happy to abide by their decision if that's how they decided to sort it out?

TalkinPeace · 18/02/2018 20:38

woman
The UK has a representative Democracy.
The people voted in to represent us (MPs) voted for it.

The referendum was not binding.
If our MPs had not had the nasty tabloids baying at them they might have done the right thing and not voted for the trigger.

Sadly the Tories are absolutely riven by EU disputes
and Corbyn has always been Anti EU
so MPs voted out of fear rather than conviction.

AgnesSkinner · 18/02/2018 20:38

... and British Gas.

Just to note it was BG Group that was bought out by Shell (not British Gas).

mummmy2017 · 18/02/2018 20:39

As said your asking if I want Worms or Spiders, as a meal.
Thanks but not hungry I just want Brexit. Which is going to happen.

woman11017 · 18/02/2018 20:40

The people voted in to represent us (MPs) voted for it
There was no parliamentary vote to trigger @50.

Bearbehind · 18/02/2018 20:40

1966 is a joke, everyone know that it's not true

Rough translation in mummys world

I thought it was true, but I realised it’s not and that I look a twat so I’ll pretend it was a joke.

mummmy2017 · 18/02/2018 20:42

Bear how long is the piece of string on my lap?
Come on she who knows everything.
Get out the same crystal ball you want us to use and ANSWER my question...

TalkinPeace · 18/02/2018 20:45

woman11017
There was no parliamentary vote to trigger @50.
Yes there was
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-38833883

Bearbehind · 18/02/2018 20:47

mummmy I genuinely can’t be arsed with your posts anymore; I’m just interested to see how far you are willing to go with your stupidity.

1966 was a new low but I’m confident you can surpass even that.

AgnesSkinner · 18/02/2018 20:47

Oh, and the SoftBank, Royal Dutch Shell and Anhauser Busch takeovers were all announced well before the Brexit vote.

Hasenstein · 18/02/2018 20:48

Mummy

Their complete lack of understand how little control they have over anything, once the vote was taken constantly astounds me, it's like a teenage rant about how unfair life is to be dumping this on them, ...

So I ask again, what would your reaction be if it was ultimately decided that the best way to sort it out was to rescind Article 50? Would you go on a "teenage rant" or would you accept with equanimity the decision of those you are content to leave to sort it out?

I'm not asking about the law or the relative feasibility of any solution, I'm just curious to know how you personally would feel if those to whom you are happy to cede control of the process, the Government and its negotiators, felt at some point down the line that withdrawal was the best option.

woman11017 · 18/02/2018 20:50

TalkinPeace They voted to pass The European Union Bill or Repeal Bill, but they did not vote to trigger @50.

They voted to implement the exit, but not the exit.

The European Union (Withdrawal) Bill, also known as the Repeal Bill or the Great Repeal Bill, is a bill of the Parliament of the United Kingdom that proposes to implement the country's exit from the European Union (Brexit) by repealing the European Communities Act 1972

Leaving the EU might be a completely sensible idea. One which could have been prepared for for the 40 odd years those with the money and media power have been campaigning for. We could be moving sensibly along to a non EU status as a third country.

What was not voted for, I don't think, by lots of sensible leavers was a power grab by the government, undermining the legal and elected system we have. In order to get tax breaks by December 2019 and avoid EU tax law.

It's the speed, the power grab which could be dangerous in so many ways.

The fact that there is no legal basis at all for the triggering of @50 in such a rush by May, would push me to believe that this rushed brexit is just a fig leaf for a power grab, which will do a lot of harm to the Leavers who voted for Brexit in good faith.

mummmy2017 · 18/02/2018 20:51

I am 100% sure this won't happen, therefore the question isn't even worth answering...

We have ways and means of coping, it can be done, so why would it be stopped?

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surferjet · 18/02/2018 20:54

I’d feel we were being lied to & that the politicians we trusted were really hardcore remainers.

It would require an independent investigation into exactly why it wasn’t feasible.

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Bearbehind · 18/02/2018 20:54

im 100% sure this won't happen, therefore the question isn't even worth answering...

Yet when I say I'm sure we won't revert to WTO, you insist 'it is a possibility'

Come on mummy play the game. What would you do if those who you place all your faith in, tell you it isn't gong to work.

mummmy2017 · 18/02/2018 20:54

Bear you always seem to get like this at night, it's very sad how your try to belittle people to cover up your own refusal to accept the truth.

If it makes you feel better to call me names that's fine, I really do understand your still going through the grief process , one day you will have to accept the leaving is a fact. and have to face your fears.

TalkinPeace · 18/02/2018 20:55

woman11017
If you do not believe that Article 50 has been properly triggered
will you campaign to keep it that way?

If you think Brexit should happen, what positives do you personally expect to see from it?

Bearbehind · 18/02/2018 20:56

It would require an independent investigation into exactly why it wasn’t feasible.

Well that would be shortest investigation in history; no fucker could begin to explain how it could work.

TalkinPeace · 18/02/2018 20:57

surferjet
I’d feel we were being lied to & that the politicians we trusted were really hardcore remainers.
It would require an independent investigation into exactly why it wasn’t feasible.

Which bits of the multiple questions we have asked that you cannot / will not answer
is NOT an investigation of why Brexit is not feasible?

politicians lie to us .... heaven forfend

Bearbehind · 18/02/2018 20:58

i get like this at night because you pop up then mummmy

1966 will forever stay with me as a low point in your stupidity.

Don't pretend you didn't think that was true.

Hasenstein · 18/02/2018 20:58

Mummy

I am 100% sure this won't happen, therefore the question isn't even worth answering...
We have ways and means of coping, it can be done, so why would it be stopped?

Leaving aside your absolute certainty that it won't happen, if they did eventually decide, on your acquiescent behalf, that the best ways and means of coping were to stop it, would your reaction be a "teenage rant" or would you accept that they know best?

woman11017 · 18/02/2018 21:00

^If you do not believe that Article 50 has been properly triggered
will you campaign to keep it that way?^

I don't quite understand this, post TalkinPeace but what is key, is that the law, and British law at that, is followed correctly, whether or not brexit happens.

There is a legal challenge ongoing to do this.

mummmy2017 · 18/02/2018 21:01

And here we go again the demand for answers.

Classic refusal to accept something that is happening.

We don't know, it's such a shame you can't won't see that.

MN is not real life, it's a tiny bit of internet, where Remain outnumber leave, and so you think your right, your not, your wrong, Face up to reality we have.