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The Leavers Lagoon - for people positive about our future outside of the EU.

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surferjet · 12/02/2018 08:35

Good morning Smile

Voting to leave the European Union was a monumental decision, and one that will change the direction of our Country for decades to come.
I see that as an exciting opportunity & something to be welcomed & celebrated.

So, if you see solutions instead of problems, if you see a better future for the citizens of U.K., free from the constraints of an organisation we had no control over, then this place is for you.
Of course not everything is going to run smoothly, maybe not for years, because leaving a union drowning in red tape was never going to be easy, but we are forward thinking progressive people who know the future doesn’t just mean next week.
So, here’s to our new future,
To the future of the U.K. Wine
The countdown begins.........

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TheyBuiltThePyramids · 18/02/2018 19:28

Me too

Bearbehind · 18/02/2018 19:31

It is a fantastic question.

Therefore don't expect an answer.

I'm also fascinated by the law in Germany that says no one can mention 1966 in football grounds.

In fact, if mummy can prove this is true I'll never post on these threads again.

Hasenstein · 18/02/2018 19:39

I'm also fascinated by the law in Germany that says no one can mention 1966 in football grounds.

Of course it's absolute tosh. The Germans don't even remember 1966 (they've been in lots of finals, won some, lost some, whereas for England it was the crowning glory and we've not got close since). Their football rivalry is with the Dutch and if you say we beat them in 1966, they say "Oh yes, so you did. I'd forgotten. But well done anyway."

The idea of banning any mention of it BY LAW is risible.

SusanWalker · 18/02/2018 19:39

Surely it's better for the environment for us to buy fresh produce from the EU rather than transport it in chilled container ships from South Africa or wherever. I know we already import food from overseas like tropical fruit and avocados but surely adding to that would be quite damaging?

Also I lived in Germany for a year and have never heard that law about the football. Neither have I heard about the balloons but that one makes sense as children can choke or suffocate on rubber.

You can have a powerful vacuum as long as it is energy efficient. As far as I am aware the law is about the energy rating not the suction.

Living in Cornwall I like the protected status of food. A cornish pasty is a part of our heritage and should be protected.

And if you think brexit is going to protect our car manufacturers then I think you are going to have a shock.

I see no one has any objections to the ECJ. If we want free trade then surely the single market is the best way to trade freely.

AgnesSkinner · 18/02/2018 19:41

I'm also fascinated by the law in Germany that says no one can mention 1966 in football grounds.

I'd be very surprised if (m)any Germans give a toss about 1966. It's only the English that are obsessed with this.

mummmy2017 · 18/02/2018 19:51

The Article 50 is not a gift you can return.
Also it's not unfeasible, for us to leave the EU,
There are ways and means for this to be do able.
If the government made this statement, all MP's would have to resign en mass and a General election called, which isn't going to happen.

Peregrina · 18/02/2018 19:52

I'm also fascinated by the law in Germany that says no one can mention 1966 in football grounds.

I am reminded of our Referendum which was legally Advisory but politically binding. I am sure that legally this has no standing whatever but that if someone at German football match does mention the England win of 1966 they can expect to be frozen out.

Bearbehind · 18/02/2018 19:54

Funny, you've come back andnot mentioned where your riduculous claim about 1966 came from mummmy

I'll grant you have balls of steel, but you are making an epic twat of yourself.

TheElementsSong · 18/02/2018 19:55

I'm also fascinated by the law in Germany that says no one can mention 1966 in football grounds.

This is so interesting! Please elaborate!

LaurieMarlow · 18/02/2018 19:55

The Article 50 is not a gift you can return.

Where is that stated in law? Anyway, senior EU leaders have made it pretty clear they'd be happy for us to back track.

TalkinPeace · 18/02/2018 19:56

@mummmy2017
The Article 50 is not a gift you can return.
You should read more.
It can be rescinded up till one minute before it finally takes effect - as per the English man who wrote it

Bearbehind · 18/02/2018 20:08

A50 is not a gift you can return

Literally every word that you post is complete tosh mummmy,

you really are the gift that keeps on giving- no pun intended!

Hasenstein · 18/02/2018 20:09

Thanks for replying, Mummy.

The Article 50 is not a gift you can return.

I think it's been said by numerous sources that we could indeed withdraw Article 50 if we so choose and the EU would be happy for us to stay, if not on precisely the same terms as now.

Also it's not unfeasible, for us to leave the EU,

My question was about how you would feel if the Government were to declare it to be so, having weighed up all the options..

There are ways and means for this to be do able.

That may well be so. As you often say, we just don't know.

If the government made this statement, all MP's would have to resign en mass and a General election called, which isn't going to happen.

Would they? Why? If the government took the decision, why would all MPs have to resign "en masse"? And why shouldn't a General Election happen if the Government felt it appropriate? Or at all events by the end of the fixed-term Parliament.

Anyway, I was merely enquiring as to your feelings if this happened. You say you trust those in charge to sort everything out, so if they thought this was the best way to deal with the situation, would you be happy to abide by their decision?

TalkinPeace · 18/02/2018 20:10

@mummmy2017
If the government made this statement, all MP's would have to resign en mass and a General election called, which isn't going to happen.
Could you explain your basis for this statement ?

I've been reading chunks of legislation.gov.uk for many years for work
and that is new one on me

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surferjet · 18/02/2018 20:12

What would be your response if the Government said it had come to the conclusion that it was unfeasible for us to leave the EU and they had therefore decided to withdraw Article 50?

This questions is so childish, it’s along the lines of ‘would you rather eat worms or spiders’ - the sort of thing 5 year olds ask each other.

The U.K. government would never admit leaving the EU was impossible for them, because it isn’t! It may be difficult, complicated, hard work, but never impossible.

It’s only going to take 2 years so pretty easy actually.

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Cailleach1 · 18/02/2018 20:13

Last time checked Germany were very much in the EU.

But, but, but, how? They have a strong industrial base and do loads of trade. Isn't being an EU member state supposed to be the death knell for all that?

If the UK needs to be outside to succeed (maybe become as successful as Germany), then it must follow that Germany must be outside the EU to do the same.

Yeah, failed irony. Logic false if Germany is an EU member state.

TalkinPeace · 18/02/2018 20:15

surfer
The U.K. government would never admit leaving the EU was impossible for them, because it isn’t! It may be difficult, complicated, hard work, but never impossible. It’s only going to take 2 years so pretty easy actually.

One of those years has nearly whooshed past with absolutely NOTHING settled
What makes you think the second year will be any more productive ?

Bearbehind · 18/02/2018 20:15

No surfer, it's really not 'easy'

If it were, you and the other head bangers would have come up with a feasible plan.

It's not beyond the realms of possibility that the government could say, 'actually, no one who wants to leave can articulate what the fuck they want, therefore we've decided, we can't please all of them so we'll not bother trying'

Hasenstein · 18/02/2018 20:18

surferjet

The U.K. government would never admit leaving the EU was impossible for them, because it isn’t! It may be difficult, complicated, hard work, but never impossible.

I didn't say it was impossible. Just that the conclusion might be reached that it was unfeasible.

I apologise if you found my question childish. I don't really follow your analogy of "worms or spiders". I presume you were referring to two equally unpalatable options. Which way round would you see leaving or remaining within the EU ? Worms or spiders?

woman11017 · 18/02/2018 20:21

When did @50 get legally triggered?

mummmy2017 · 18/02/2018 20:27

1966 is a joke, everyone know that it's not true, but as per, you bite.
Article 50
It gives the leaving country two years to negotiate an exit deal and once it's set in motion it can't be stopped except by unanimous consent of all member states.
You asked what I thought would happen, not the law about it.
And it;s not going to happen, sorry to rain on your parade,

Bear your so set in your Remain ways and worries, I can just see you wondering how you didn't get your own way, when all your arguments seem so sound to your mind and you have to sit and watch as we do leave, and things DO happen, and still you sit and decry your fate...

TalkinPeace · 18/02/2018 20:30

Article 50 : It gives the leaving country two years to negotiate an exit deal and once it's set in motion it can't be stopped except by unanimous consent of all member states.
Really?
Funnily that is not what the author of it (Lord Kerr) or the current legal rulings in the UK and the EU state.

The two years is up at 11pm on 29th March 2019 (midnight Brussels time)

000bourneFarm · 18/02/2018 20:34

Also seeing record investment both from Eu and non Eu countries to our area.

and

if you see a better future for the citizens of U.K., free from the constraints of an organisation we had no control over

You need to be a more informed and deeper thinker OP before you come out with statements like that. You do know that as a result of a cheaper pound directly caused by the Brexit vote, many UK companies are now being bought out by foreign ownership both EU and non-EU, including the second largest global drinks company, our largest computer chip manufacturer and British Gas. This is not investment, but disinvestment.

I am fully behind a proper leave campaign. That is democracy. But ill thought out comments and 'happy happy' sound bites like yours just make it harder for those of us who have to pick up the pieces.

Quite thick, really.

woman11017 · 18/02/2018 20:34

Does anyone remember a vote to trigger it @50?
The referendum decision didn't delegate the power for May to do it.

AgnesSkinner · 18/02/2018 20:34

1966 is a joke, everyone know that it's not true, but as per, you bite.

An awful lot of that post was completely nonsensical, what else are you now going to declare as “a joke”?