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Which is ironic given that a one sized fits all Brexit won’t work. The wants and needs of London, Hull, Belfast and rural Wales are very different.

Plus Crown Paints is investing 15 million in its Hull plant, to future proof it.
Danish owners, using it to get worldwide presence in domestic paints, they are commercial/industrial and domestic paint is where the big profits come from.
Interesting all this since 2016, too, unlike previous British hedge fund owners, who spent a decade asset stripping.
But then the Danish, are a lot like us British, not fully committed to all EU ideals

Source?

Ghost
Source?
Was that to me,
If Crown paints, can't give you source, only that BIL has been on 4 trips to Denmark/Holland to learn how to maintain new paint plants and Hull plant has renewed two paint lines and two more to do 2018/19.
Or do you mean Denmark, which hasn't managed to join the euro yet, and never seems to get round to voting for it, like it needs too.
Like I said the joy of living and growing up in Hull/ Humberside and still living their, and have a son planning to head to Lincoln for uni, is you get to know and be friends with people who work/run these things, and Hull after 45 years of decline, is starting to blossom.

Crown paints. Not disputing it, genuinely interested as I couldn’t find anything after googling. Companies usually sing quite loudly about investment.

Crown paints in Hull is it secondary plant, Darwin Lancashire is headquarters, so often it is just put in with their news.
Plus Crown paints, since 2015 has been very low key, just doesn't seem to spend lots of time with press releases.
Most people have never heard of it's present owners and they never announced it's take over, just know news from BIL, who has gone from threat of job losses in2013/4 to major renewals for last 2 years.
Not everything is always done in the press.

From October:

www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/news/15572832.Crown_Paints__will_bounce_back_after_slump_in_profits_/

ONE of East Lancashire’s largest firms has suffered a big slump in profits.

Darwen-based Crown Paints’ year-end figures reveal that profits fell by a third, down to £15.9million.

The results also showed a fall in revenue, from £188million to £174million.

The company, which has a base in Hollins Road, ascribed the disappointing returns to worries over Brexit and losing a major customer, which no longer offers its products.

The UK’s decision to leave the European Union is said to affect the company’s ability to purchase raw materials at competitive and predictable prices from the eurozone.

Sure they speak to the press.

I wonder how many of you, who all think we will end up either staying in or pretending to never leave, live in London and SE or have ever left an urban area

Live in Yorkshire User , family hail from Hull and the NE and NW and Wales , if you care to pick back through the family tree . My family did the hard graft so you can come on here and tell me that our current Eton ( and other well known public schools ) educated shower of shite government are going to give a gnats chuff about you or me or anyone with our background and that's its all going to be rosy ? Give over you daft sod

I live in East anglia. Lots of people here who voted leave are very anxious. Employment here is pretty rubbish apart from the public sector. Lots of people do long commutes.
So not London. Actually a fairly forgotten part of the country and lots of anxious people.

User if Saltend went up , the first thing the members of the cabinet would do is refer to google maps !

^But at the time JM’s government, & particularly JM himself, were laughed at.
He was seen as grey & useless.^

Yes, he was. Shall we pause for a moment and consider by whom?
The hard right anti-Europe “Bastards” that are responsible for the current mess: Peter Lilley, John Redwood & Co.

Sounds odd to see you defend him so strongly. Perhaps you think they were wrong?

"Plus Crown Paints is investing 15 million"

Wahey! Meanwhile we are destroying our financial services industry worth 10s of billions IN TAX REVENUE...

Or do you mean Denmark, which hasn't managed to join the euro yet, and never seems to get round to voting for it, like it needs too.

Denmark negotiated a permanent opt-out from joining the Euro as part of the 1992 Edinburgh Agreement. All the same the government did put joining the Euro to a referendum in 2000 and the proposal was narrowly rejected. So Denmark doesn't need to join the Euro and hasn't managed to because it has gotten round to voting against doing so trice (arguably - 1992, 1993, 2000). You might have gotten Denmark confused with Sweden, where the situation is much like you describe.

Looks like Keir Starmer is winning the policy war in the shadow cabinet though ....

Frumpty
If Saltend went up, on most days of the year, my 2 boys and DNephew and DNiece, would be died, their schools are less then 1 mile away. My family of 4, Bil family of 4 and Mil, would also disappear to, so government response might be slightly irrelevant
I know most on here won't know this, or like him, but our Brexit secretary shouldn't need google maps, He is Mp for Howden, other side of Hull.
Can I also say I bet most of Labour shadow cabinet would have to google too.

LondonMum8
You may scoff, but
Siemens invested £310m in wind turbines,
Crown Paints money,
RB (Reckitts Benckiser) are putting £105m into a R&D centre,
Smith and Nephew are investing £50m into their Hull plant,
KCom, Hull's telephone co, is investing upto £85m in fibre internet to become 1st city in UK to be fibre only,
Plus their is a city of culture legacy of upto £250m.
So in last 2 years we have had £855m invested in to Hull, it's a success story, and what's more all are international companies, who could chose to invest anywhere in the world.
Sorry if it's not London or Se, or Banks, but it's UK jobs and we too pay just as much tax on our earnings as any Londoner
Plus Hull, East Riding of Yorkshire, North and North East Lincolnshire and I believe Lincolnshire all over whelming voted to leave, maybe they knew we would survive, or maybe they where sick of been patronised by London and the Se

The reality is that this is all petty change compared to the Brexit damage to the UK economy overall.

user
£855m invested in Hull in a year
generating MAX £85m in tax per year (CT, NI, VAT, PAYE)

as against £over 400m a year spent by Hampshire County Council on Adult Social care
per year

Macroeconomics is a depressing subject as sometimes it feels hopeless.
But if you do not understand it, you cannot change it.

City wide focus is far too small in the globalised world

I think any investment is despite Brexit not because of it and the reality is that the underlying sentiment is that Brexit isn't actually going to happen in the way Leavers hope it is.

The Tories are going to tear each other apart; the meeting a Chequers appears to have achieved sod all.

JC looks set to announce support for staying in the / a CU.

It's all pointing towards BINO.

Which is quite funny given the number of people on here who've repeatedly insisted that 'all that matters is we're leaving' and that they 'trust the government to get the best result'

The best result is actually BINO but I'm guessing most of you Leavers aren't going to be happy about that.

LondonMum, TalkinPeace and bearbehind,
If any of the Uk governments, since 1979, had bothered to invest that sort of money, and there is multi million pounds investment for offshore wind close to Hornsea, plus Grimsby is maintenance base.
Then brexit probably wouldn't have happened, but both Tory and New Labour chose to back Banking and the London/SE economies, fucked over NE, Yorkshire and Humber, East Midlands and Wales, then was shocked when those areas said Thanks but no thanks, can't be worst than last 37 years, we'll try something else

Can I ask if all you celebrating the BINO/remain backdoor victories, also suggest we keep this government for ever more too, because if they ignore the 52% who voted leave, and cobble together a remain in secret, I will probably give up on voting in Uk, and we may as well go back to 1899, when only rich, property owning men voted and decided what was in the best interests of women and working class men.
After all we only use baths to store our coal in them

User
Governments should not pick industries. They are shit at it.
Fishing in the North sea was screwed long before the EU
In a truly free market economy, people up sticks and move to where the jobs are and some areas empty out
in the UK benefits keep people where jobs are not
and subsidise the unskilled

I am not in favour of the level of London bias
but its a fact that London pays more tax (of all types) than the rest of the country.
There needs to be much more emphasis on localism, local taxes, local control
but
neither Labour or the Tories will deliver that
and staying in the EU is our best defence against their worst principles

user I don't understand what point you are making.

The referendum was not about one party's politics.

You keep mentioning the '52%' but the fact is, they've haven't got a fecking clue how to deliver Brexit.

In fact, they don't even have a consensus on what they want from Brexit.

I simply don't understand what is meant by 'the will of the people'

BINO is 'leaving' the EU. Why isn't that respecting 'the will of the people'?

Why can't Leavers articulate what they hope to achieve and how it's possible in practice?

Talkin
So by your reckoning, we northerners, should just either all move to London/SE, did that for 3 years 1990-1993, and escaped north as soon as I could or just stop, shut up and accept, shit schools, infrastructure and shorter lifespans and just let London and the EU continue to leave us to rot for my parent's generation, mine and my kids, also our grandkids?
God even the Westminster educated toff of the chancellor convinced the Eton educated PM, that we needed a northern powerhouse, well at least you can use the "northern wastelands" for fracking, saving the South Downs for the rich, unlike our National Parks.
It's that precise attitude from numerous governments/EU which lead to Brexit.

Bear
I am saying instead of parliament spending months arguing over SM/CU, and making sure we stay in, it should spend it's bloody time planning for a proper exit, or if not in less than a generation, no one will bother to vote, because what's the point, if millions do as asked by the government of the day, and then the government/parliament ignore it.
No one will ever bother, might as well live in N Korea, at least there you can only vote for the governments preferred choice(s)

Absolutely agree user1471450935
If Brexit is watered down so much that we may as well still be in the EU, what was the point of voting?
The vast majority of leave voters are working class labour, so labour MP’s have a duty to respect their views. If they don’t, UKIP ( or similar ) will be more than happy to step back in. Brexit wouldn’t have happened if Northern labour voters hadn’t been totally ignored by the Blair government.