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I voted to leave the EU.

I have to say recently been regretting that decision.

There have been several factory closures of medicines recently including Pfizer drug manufacturers. I'm not sure if this is the cause of so many drugs being on manufacturers delay but we seem unable to get hold of so many at the moment. I work in the healthcare setting and regret my decision. I can't see how the healthcare setting will now benefit from brexit.

I wonder if Leavers are inspired by the fact that 2000 years ago, a plucky little underdog went up against the world superpower of the time, and a religion was founded ?

Now, where's the nails ?

LondonMum8

This was never intended as a debating thread, if you want intelligent debate why don’t you pop over to RTB’s thread?

Bye

That's brave of you to post on here mrsjellybum

Was it the case that you hadn't thought there'd be so many implications to leaving? (That's not supposed to sound as patronising as it does but a can't think of another way to ask!)

@Mrsjellybum Thank you very much for this post. It's never easy to admit a mistake, but ultimately its the ability to learn from mistakes that sets us apart from our prehistoric ancestors.

Surferjet
I am a "remainer", Actually I am a citizen of the uk, who wants it to get better for my kids.
I met FaithHopeCharityDesperation on the JRM, her and Rufusthereniagereindeer where very kind to me.
On there we where loosely discussing who could lead the parties after brexit/future elections, we came up very quickly with:-
Conservatives- Heidi Allen, Jonny Mercer
Labour- Stella Creasy, Jess Philips
LibDem Jo Swinson.

I would be interested in every one views on these and other peoples choices, I think it's important. Also as a centre left voter I said what I would like to see from the Conservatives for me to consider voting for them. What would you like from them/Labour to do the same.
Brexit will happen, stop been bitter, it only hurts yourself, lets try and find common Ground?
and hugs

Sorry
was that to like the Westminster threads, if so I'll shut up

@Bearbehind I suppose in a way yes.

I kind of New there would be massive implications to things such as factory closures car factory closures etc.
I suppose when voting I was thinking about the long term benefits when things have settled and sort of "fixed itself" if you see what I mean. Maybe a lot of brexiters feel similar that we didn't necessarily think about how things would be in the short term until things settle. X

bearbehind
Well we voted, surely now we work on making it work.
It's been 19/20 months, do you feel like this after a GE, it effects us all, too much investment in London/ SE 30 odd years led to this.
Maybe don't throw Yorkshire, Cornwall/Devon, Teeside under a neo-liberal bus and they won't bite you in the bum or was that the hand that feeds them. I am confused.

Maybe don't throw Yorkshire, Cornwall/Devon, Teeside under a neo-liberal bus and they won't bite you in the bum or was that the hand that feeds them. I am confused.

user I'm confused too! What do you mean?

The vote was about leaving the EU.

If people in more deprived areas chose to use the referendum to lash out against their situation then it is they who will get bitten on the bum when they realise their situation wasn't the fault of the EU. In fact many such areas received huge EU funding.

As for 'surely now we work on making it work'

I completely agree but that can't happen until we wake up and accept the fact we are not going to have the same deal we have now and we are not sufficiently important for the EU to be unable to manage without us.

I kind of New there would be massive implications to things such as factory closures car factory closures etc.

That's interesting mrsjellybum because most Leavers were adamant that there would be no car factory closures. I can't imagine that Sunderland would have voted the way it did if they'd thought that was going to be the case.

Marking place.

Loving David Davis's cavilling about the 'discourtesy' of the EU27. Poor delicate flower that he is

Apologies, this is from further back & haven't read rest of posts yet, but to answer Bear:

It doesn't happen on the Westminsters thread because there's only Remainers on there.

Well that's what happens when people get pissed off - they leave.
A small group of regular MN remainers (not all) do a sterling job of barracking Leavers - it seems like they enjoy having a virtual punchbag at times tbh, just like Surfer said on the other thread.

*The denial is typically strong with this one. It's all there in the previous thread! I quote:

"FaithHopeCharityDesperation

Fuck off Londonmum you unfeeling fucking bitch."

There, spoken like a true Leaver Faith, you're representing well.*

I happen to think that using another person's distress to politically point score is beneath contempt.
I did explain this quite clearly - and I absolutely meant that post.

In fact, I don't think I fully managed to articulate the seething mass of hatred & revulsion that I felt tbh.

“Manufacturing continued to grow strongly in the last three months of the year, with metal goods and pharmaceuticals driving growth. However, overall production growth slowed due to the shutdown of the cracked Forties pipeline.” per ONS this morning.

Doesn't really fit the doom and gloom narrative.

So far this week EY Item club, NIESR and BoE all upgraded UK growth forecasts for 2018 and 2019.

howabout, that's a bit of a 'look squirrel' comment.

Only focusing on positive reports doesn't provide resolutions to the very real problems we are facing wrt leaving and our future relationship with the EU.

Bearbehind
Maybe it wasn't the eu fault. But every government since 1979, has invested heavily the London/SE region. Much of the rest of the country told tough luck
These are proud people, I am a Yorkshire boy, did the Tebbit bike thing, then returned home.
I worked in Essex for 3 years, they didn't have a clue what it was like in post industrial north. People where given the chance to vote on something they did.
Democracy, I watched the news last night, interest rates too rise due to fast a growth/inflation/wages chasing hard. The governor admitting figures where better then expected.
Trump was voted in lots said the world will end. It hasn't.
I firmly believe the majority of Mp's and the people of the UK want it to be prosperous and therefore I have to trust them. In 3/4 o 5 years we get to vote them out.

In 3/4 o 5 years we get to vote them out.

But that won't change Brexit.

People where given the chance to vote on something they did.

The 'something' was leaving the EU, nothing more nothing less.

It wasn't the forum to rebel against every UK government since 1979.

Bear
I think after last and poor MsHoolie, we should all really think about how we approach this subject, like all things there will be positives and negatives. If we only look a negatives we end up in a very dark place.
Believe me I was heading that way, wife sent me back to my counsellor and she encourage me to leave it alone
Fix the things you can, leave the things you can't, where her words.

I am not been flippant either I have 2 cousins in EU counties Sweden and Estonia, in families with children, both set of parents (my aunt and wife's uncle) voted leave and would tomorrow. My cousins are taking steps to protect themselves.
None of us know any outcomes, not Mrs May or Mr Barnier, at the moment. But I think we should avoid extremes for everyone's sake.
Just my humble opinion, I am no better then you or any leaver.

user, can you share some positives of leaving the EU then please?

Barrier is being pretty clear in his speech; agree to abiding by the EU rules during the transition period or there will be no such period.

God, I know I voted remain
But I don't have a time machine, or a crystal ball, Bear.
But if any future government threatened to extradite/forcibly remove any EU citizen already here with family or not, I will be the first on the march/stood in airports protesting, they where invited here set up home legal and will always have my support and actually every leave voter I know would be in front of me to defend their rights.
I am a human, with children, just like them.

user, it might be better for people's mental health to ignore the negatives but the fact is they exist and are not going away.

The arrogance of our negotiators astounds me; Barnier has just said a planned update was cancelled because it clashed with the UK side diary.

WTAF?

Bear
I will try,
I loved that 70 odd % voted, so sick of no one voting.
I hope people will think hard about how we all vote.
Future positives:-
Proper discussion about immigration, not made up figures, but the government will have to work with industries to come quota's and hope encourage train for uk people.
No blaming EU for all the wrongs.
Small things, around us starting to invest in local projects to improve their areas, using local money and people.
I don't really have loads of answers.
But I know what I want, so do many more intelligent people than me, and I know many people who I totally respect have plans for my area, and won't let us down.
I think around us there is a renewed sense of we are in charge of our destiny, good or bad, but we can change it, which had sadly died.
I am at work on a break, I try and think of more.