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Just suggest one person alone could negotiate peace in such a complex place as NI is laughable. It does however fit with the Brexiteer view that the UK will just steam roll over the EU to get what it wants.

I’m not lecturing you, I’m just putting you right on UK/ Irish history.
& yes, JM is anti-Brexit, but where NI is concerned he was ‘the architect’. Not TB.

surferjet.. Picture this.

MN is like Senior School.
Remain on MN are like the Popular girls in a group that look down on everyone else, think they rule and are rather nasty really.

They leave the safe walls of their little kingdom and suddenly find out they mean nothing are nothing and have got everything wrong, and have to wake up and realise that they count for nothing, and just have to accept Real life for the shock it is to their systems....

Most of you are bullies, and very soon you will have to accept that your not getting your own way, that other people have made decisions that you can;t change, and you will have too see that.

Point being - as you’re missing it - tories are more than able to handle very difficult complex situations.
Have I cleared that up for you?

Good

mummmy2017
Google is their only weapon.
They have no stored genuine knowledge.

But we keep luring them into a false sense of security

Surfer the Major administration one remembered for sleeze were political giants compared to the current lot.

How can you possibly believe that in the last 18 months the Tories have been successfully negotiating the very complex issue of Brexit? There is zero evidence to support this.

But at the time JM’s government, & particularly JM himself, were laughed at.
He was seen as grey & useless.
It’s only now that we can see how good he actually was.
It will be the same with Brexit.

It's not finished yet.
I find it hard to see any MN Remain as anything other than frightened.
You won't allow anything could be sorted, as it would go against all your set ideas, yet sort it will be because as I have said many times, we either sort something or go to WTO and work backwards.

Shout at me isn't going to make it not happen, but all your what about this that the other and the dog's bottom comments, are just that posts that go no further than this .com page. How can you keep hiding and pretending like this, that there is no other way that you can see, but for the Government to implement your ideas, it's not going to happen...

Rewriting history Surfer. Major will be remembered well for NI but his government for tabloid scandal hence being kicked out in 97. Major is redeeming himself (as is Ken Clarke) for his sensible comments on Brexit. He is a statesman compared to the babbling nonsense of people like Davies.

Honestly - the crap you remainers come out with. Anyone who is anti-Brexit can do no wrong in your eyes.
& you call us brainwashed? 😂

Didn’t say that surfer but at least they are applying common sense.

I’ve just decided Brexit is a bad idea & i’d vote remain if there was another referendum.

Do you love me now?
Am I no longer a thick racist?
Have I suddenly become extremely well educated?
Are all my sins forgiven?
😘

Anyway......off to enjoy this sunny day.☀️

But they aren't the ones who are negotiating, anyone can say anything, but if it's not them in charge it's just words, that effect nothing.

JC is changing his stance AGAIN on things, for votes? well what about the dye hard labour who want out as well, do you think they will be happy to be betrayed by this man, who might change it back again if it's not the disaster you all think, How can you trust someone who is like a wind vane and swaps so much, and says things and then denies he meant that...

The majority of lab voters voted remain.

Major's government was scandal-ridden and rather ineffective, perhaps because the Tory party had trouble taking a leader with Major's background seriously, perhaps because he didn't have the personality or personal authority to deal with the "bastards".

He did some decent things - the work on peace in NI being one obvious one - but I don't think he will be remembered as a great leader. My personal memory of the Major government will forever be the cone-line. However I do think that Major is an intelligent and reasonably honest politician who would have been more effective in a less polarised political system. He is certainly making a good job of the elder statesman role.

Like GW Bush though for very different reasons he is thought of far more kindly nowadays than he ever was while in government.

The majority of lab voters voted remain.

True.

However the majority of labour constituencies voted to leave.

It matters not how many votes a party gets in a constituency, so long as they win - but it matters very much indeed how many constituencies they win overall.

I would welcome a Labour policy that supported “damage limit” Brexit , as I believe that is the best one can expect from leaving the EU.

Depending on whether the Tories can hold it together there may not be another election until 2022. Uk will have been out the EU for 3 years. The political landscape and electoral views will be very, very different. I’ve always said Labour should play the long game.

I would welcome a Labour Party that wasn't hand in hand with the Communist Party working on 'shared goals'.

Yeah shared goals and equality are such a terrible thing . Don’t think you need to be a communist to support these things. Keep swallowing the tabloid bullshit.

Not 'tabloid bullshit' at all.

Actual event.

Labour & the British Communist Party hand in hand.

Faith, I see you attempt to deflect away from the mess your beloved Tories are making of Brexit.

Shout about communists all you want, you could probably throw Venezuela into the mix for good measure. Nobody is listening.

I don't think brexit is a mess though.

I think the individual EU states want a deal just as much as we do.

The centralised politics of the EU project is being shown up in all its glory as the unworkable sham that it is - one size does not fit all, it never has & never will.

We have left it too long to leave imo, but I'm pleased we're finally doing it - it's hard enough now to distangle from it - it would only have got more & more impossible to leave if we'd left it longer.

However the majority of labour constituencies voted to leave.

This has always struck me as a very silly argument, because it says nothing about who voted both labour AND leave. It might be that many of the leave-voting constituents voted for parties other than Labour.

Some of the remain-iest constituencies are Labour ones, and around two thirds of Labour voters voted remain. Labour needs to be very careful about these voters, because if my circle is anything to go by, a significant number of them will not vote for Labour again while it remains in favour of Brexit.

It is a difficult circle to square for Labour, but its current policy of trying to pull the wool over voters' eyes is very dishonest.

Can I just say that some people on MN, especially my once fellow remainers, I gave up on you months ago, really must hate good news.
You all piss on people's chips, hope your nicer in real life.
Talkin Siemens arrived in 2015, only full operationally in 2017, official opening 2018, winning massive new orders weekly, highly profitable too,
MY youngest knows the senior plant manager's son, his mates go to school with him, his mum and dad are the driving force for the Hull UTC, eldest son RU coach is on regional development board and sat with Siemens all through City of Culture board meetings.
Siemens are expanding, they came during and continued after Brexit, they have been in Lincoln for Centuries, its their worldwide gas turbine plant.
Not every company plans to leave, we may only be thick northerners but we can also mix we senior people, people who tend not to spend 100 million's of their pounds/euros and then shut it down 10 minutes later, also Nissan/Toyota/Jaguar&Land Rover al; seem to be committed to UK long term, not quite remains doom laden forecast