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BrexitArmsLandlady · 08/02/2018 21:43

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FaithHopeCharityDesperation · 26/02/2018 11:37

I will comment on the proposed direction for brexit when it is detailed on Friday in TM's speech.

Pointless Speculation may excite some posters, but I can't be arsed.

bearbehind · 26/02/2018 11:37

The need for us to be able to make Trade deals will be the sticking point

The need for us to maintain the GFA and have access to our closest and largest trading partner will be the sticking point mummmy

bearbehind · 26/02/2018 11:39

faith, surely you have an opinion on the compromises you'd be happy with?

FaithHopeCharityDesperation · 26/02/2018 11:39

Desperate?!

Lol.

GhostofFrankGrimes · 26/02/2018 11:41

I will comment on the proposed direction for brexit when it is detailed on Friday in TM's speech.

Given the meaningless sound bites of the last 18 months I think you're flogging a dead horse.

DGRossetti · 26/02/2018 11:43

The need for us to be able to make Trade deals will be the sticking point

We can only discuss trade deals in accordance with our own rules.

Which means Ireland, Citizens Rights and the final bill must be agreed first.

not agreed "in principle".

Agreed.

Has that happened yet ? (You'd think a yes/no question would elicit a one word truthful answer .... here's hoping ....)

Ifailed · 26/02/2018 11:44

Jezza's problem is his party, along with all the others, stupidly decided to take an advisory referendum and turn it into a political obligation to leave the EU, probably helped by his own anti-european views.
So labour are committed to leaving the EU, however are in a position to propose a softer exit than the one being pushed by Boris et al.
I am surprised, giving the obvious recent success of a single-issue party (ukip), a similar party didn't emerge after the referendum, but I put that down to the general selfishness of our politicians who are more interested in their own, followed by their parties, success.

bearbehind · 26/02/2018 11:44

I agree ghost, it will just be more drivel involving 'deep and special partnerships'

I'm constantly staggered at the cult like qualities of all this though; 'I'll comment when I've heard what our leader wants me to say'

Why would you not have your own opinion?

Madness.

GhostofFrankGrimes · 26/02/2018 11:48

The Brexiteers are pinning all their hopes on the worst PM in living memory delivering some more plaudits on friday in order to keep their fantasy alive.

FaithHopeCharityDesperation · 26/02/2018 11:49

I've given my own opinion several times Bear.
I've also said what compromises I would and wouldn't be happy with.

I am bored with the constant demands for me (and others) to continually regurgitate the same things over & over.

I have nothing new to add to what I have already said as things stand, but when new details emerge then I will no doubt will.

GhostofFrankGrimes · 26/02/2018 11:53

I have nothing new to add to what I have already said as things stand, but when new details emerge then I will no doubt will.

new details? What were the old details beyond eating cake?

bearbehind · 26/02/2018 11:57

i've also said what compromises I would and wouldn't be happy with

I don't recall that at all.

In fact I don't recall any Leaver ever stating what compromises they'd be happy with.

There's always been a list of things you don't want but never what you do want, other than cake.

GhostofFrankGrimes · 26/02/2018 12:04

The eurosceptics have been a boil on the Tory party for a quarter of a century. The eurosceptics now see the finish line of their great dream in sight. I cannot believe for a second that the weak and wobbly May spent an afternoon persuading them to compromise. More than likely they have agreed to show a united front (party before country, always).

May's speech will consist of tabloid sized slogans and a few insults at Corbyn to keep her editor friends happy. Over the last 18 months this has proven enough to keep the media happy and satisfy leavers on this thread.

The reality is of course, that the can is just being kicked further down the road.

DGRossetti · 26/02/2018 12:09

Seems the rest of the EU is pretty comfortable with no deal, and are quietly preparing for it. Of course member states can share costs infrastructure and expertise without hindrance.

mummmy2017 · 26/02/2018 12:10

You do realise unless we can have trade deals then it's got to be no deal.

I fail to see why something so simple , and basic can cause you so much trouble to understand. Unless the EU agree that the UK will be making trade deals once we leave, then any deal they offer has to be rejected..

FaithHopeCharityDesperation · 26/02/2018 12:11

It's odd, isn't it mummmy?

The lack of basic comprehension is strong in remoaners.

GhostofFrankGrimes · 26/02/2018 12:12

Mummy, you have been told countless times that no deal would be utter disaster for the UK. May will have to strike a last minute deal. Either way it will be so shit and divisive for the UK it could bring the government down.

TalkinPeace · 26/02/2018 12:13

But if we stay in the Customs Union then the 54 existing trade deals - that already cover most of the world - will continue to function.
Much simpler (and cheaper) option.

There is no guarantee that the 147 members of the WTO would vote to let the UK in anyway Grin

FaithHopeCharityDesperation · 26/02/2018 12:13

It's like they have a form of amnesia, whereby every day they need to be re-appraised of the exact same things that were discussed the day before.

surferjet · 26/02/2018 12:13

They’re still in complete denial Faith, some of them are still hoping it will never happen.
It’s all a bit weird.

bearbehind · 26/02/2018 12:14

I fail to see why something so simple , and basic can cause you so much trouble to understand

mummmy you categorically fail to understand something far more basic and simple; we can’t afford to opt for the no deal route because we have no plans in place to do so and simply couldn’t cope with falling off that cliff edge.

DGRossetti · 26/02/2018 12:15

You do realise unless we can have trade deals then it's got to be no deal.

Unless the EU agree that the UK will be making trade deals once we leave, then any deal they offer has to be rejected..

Here's an idea. How about the UK agrees to what the UK agreed to, and gets citizens rights, Northern Ireland, and the divorce bill settled before moving on to trade talks.

Seems a good idea to me. Not my fault the UK not only hasn't agreed those things (although the bill is probably the easiest) but pretty much indicated it had it's fingers crossed when it was "agreeing" them.

March 30th 2018 looks to be an interesting news day.

JWIM · 26/02/2018 12:17

Not sure it said anywhere on my referendum ballot paper that the UK must have it's own trade deals? It said leave the EU yes/no.

Back to the same ongoing conundrum - what did that question actually mean.

bearbehind · 26/02/2018 12:19

Some of them are still hoping it will never happen.
It’s all a bit weird.

Not nearly as weird as those Leavers who continually insist ‘we’re leaving’ when they’ve no idea what that means.

BINO is ‘leaving’

I’d be quite happy with that.

GhostofFrankGrimes · 26/02/2018 12:19

Of course leavers here would want no deal as they do not have to articulate what they want from the negotiations with the EU. Cop out.

On the 1/4/19 they'd shrug their shoulders when asked what happens next.

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