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Ah, so when it suits racism and xenophobia is just being clumsy?

If you want people from across all backgrounds & all viewpoints to engage & give you an insight into why people voted for brexit, then clutching your pearls because someone says something that jars will not work.

People keep banging on about wanting to 'understand' - if you truly do then sometimes that means hearing opinions that are uncomfortable.

Gordon Brown shut down 'that bigoted woman' when she made one comment in 10 minutes about Eastern European immigrants.

Some people can't articulate things as smoothly as others, language can be clumsy.

Is it racism?
Is it xenophobia?

Was there an overwhelming shortage of labour in Britain in the 2000s?

Does user hate immigrants?
Does he hate people who aren't British citizens?
Does he hate people of different colours & races?

Have you asked him?

Or did you just write him off as a racist xenophobe because of one paragraph where he used clumsy language to try and articulate something?

It's so easy to do that isn't it.

Ok not been on for about 4 hours, having a catch up.

Has anything fun happened.

Which drink does a someone who voted Brexit. like?
Tea, Leafs.

faith I'm well past understanding why people voted as they did.

I now just want to know how we can dig ourselves out of this great big hole.

Harping on about what people wanted doesn't wash anymore.

We are were we are and need a solution to some incompatible scenarios.

We told you why we voted to leave many times, but you don't like it, as it's not what you want to hear.

After today , I think we are even nearer WTO, as not SU and no CU on the cards.

mummmy Do you actually bother RTFT or do you just wade in anyway?

I don’t give a toss what thought was in your head when you were in the ballot box.

That’s over.

You are kidding yourself now though.

We will roll over and ask for our tummy to be tickled in the end because we can’t afford to do anything else.

Bear - what are you on tonight? Just because of one sentence you are suggesting User is a racist xenophobe!!
I have suggested that this massive 'brain drain' that was supposed to befall the NHS may not actually happen. It doesn't change my mind about my aversion to FOM. The reasons I have for this is to do with first of all the post up thread about taking on EU qualified people on minimum wage as apposed to training up locals. Secondly my view is that I find it racist as you know.

Now you are trying it on again and asking me to solve all the minutia of Brexit!!

RTFT is that your newest insult.

I have read your constant nastiness, and your belittling people, and I actually feel sorry for the way this has all upset so many Remainers, but It's gone the way I always thought it would,
Yet again your misreading the situation, hoping it will go the way you want.
Why can't you see what is staring you in the face BEAR.
NO SU, NO CU.
IN fact this was been said from NO 10 several times this week, why do you think the EU are being like this, they are worried, and so are back to the HOW DARE YOU WANT TO LEAVE, and have starting threatening and trying to bully the UK.
Maybe if they had a quick look at history they could learn what happend when someone does that to an Englishman....

We want to trade not be tied to what the EU has become... a BULLY

This is a genuine question for those who voted leave , I think we all agree that leaving is a monumental task ? How would you feel if we delayed leaving until there had been a proper rigorous discussion about how the UK can best achieve it for the benefit of all its people ?

Bear
I have level 2 functional English, I left school with a cse 2 in English.
I don't have always have all the correct words to put my exact thoughts on paper, no degree.
I said elsewhere you lot scare me to death.
I was coming on to ask where we go forward to and how on the last thread, then saw MsHoolie's comments and cried, it open wounds, my own insecurities made me throw a olive branch over the internet, I couldn't read it and leave'
I am so glad she is well/feeling better.
I voted remain, because I thought was for the best overall but like 80/90% of Britain's I would say it took a lot of thought and was probably 60/40 in favour;
My wife said on 26th June 2016, I voted remain the decisions made, accepted and lets make it work.

Immigration
If the remain campaign had won we would still have freedom of movement and I would have continued to be "happy".
But we are leaving, I think it was bear who asked for a positive I could think of,
One is a sensible immigration policy which works for all of the UK.
So not free movement NO, but also not the farcical Tory pledges to reduce immigration to around 50000
You see if we need 100000 Doctors, nurses and dentists to run a successful NHS so be it. Or if we need 35000 car washers so be it.
But I want politicians to talk to 1) industry, 2) unions 3) citizens of the UK. Then produce a nationwide coherent policy for the UK, which is transparent and clear to all'
Also I, personally, get rid of the earns threshold on foreign spouses moving to the UK, Others may disagree but why should middle, upper classes get to have foreign partners, but not working classes.
So not xenophobic/racist, practical for the new post Eu Btritain.
It may be overall immigration goes up at first
I think that's why the present government doesn't like points based schemes. I would happily accept one.
Can I ask any other remainers is that acceptable to any of you, same question to all the leavers.Thanks

UK is not going ti have problem recruiting people to its various sectors.
We already not someone random county with extreme weather patterns.. Where no one wants to live.

mummmy you are the worst of the ‘we won, you lost, get over it’ brigade.

You have absolutely no support or back up for comments you make and regularly revert to ‘I’m just a Mum, what do I know’

If you’re not going to add anything to the conversation except to attack me, I’m really not sure why you’re bothering.

One is a sensible immigration policy which works for all of the UK.

user we had an option of an brake on immigration; we chose not to apply it.

It’s another example of the EU being blamed for decisions made by our government.

not free movement NO, but also not the farcical Tory pledges to reduce immigration to around 50000

Also I, personally, get rid of the earns threshold on foreign spouses moving to the UK,

Basically more immigration from outside the EU instead. Hopefully that's what most brexiters would be happy with since that's what they will be getting. Priti Patel approves too.

I think we all agree that leaving is a monumental task ? How would you feel if we delayed leaving until there had been a proper rigorous discussion about how the UK can best achieve it for the benefit of all its people ?

Frumpety, on the face of it, it sounds sensible - but in reality, it would just mean continually kicking it into the long grass & I wouldn't trust our politicians to deliver Brexit if there was an option to obfuscate, and delay indefinitely. There's already a concerted effort to overturn it as it is.

So to answer your question I'd be pretty angry if they decided to delay it.

One is a sensible immigration policy which works for all of the UK.

user we had an option of an brake on immigration; we chose not to apply it.

We do need a sensible immigration policy.
I'm not quite sure what the 'emergency brake' option of the past has to do with the future.

Basically more immigration from outside the EU instead. Hopefully that's what most brexiters would be happy with since that's what they will be getting.

Less of a whitewashed system of immigration is not a problem - why would it be?

I do agree with faith that nothing would happen if there was a delay in Brexit to get things sorted; we can’t even make decisions with a deadline looming, we’d just not bother if the deadline moved further out.

I'm not quite sure what the 'emergency brake' option of the past has to do with the future.

I was making the point that immigration wasn’t the problem it was perceived to be when they voted.

Faced with how we are being told IF we have a transition of 2 years we are going to have laws and decisions pasted that will be done be against the interests of the UK. Maybe we should just bite the bullet and WALK away, as this would mean from day 1 answers would have to be found PDQ to all the problems, instead of the if's and maybe's that seem to be touting on here.

May is stuck as it seems the Treasury are trying to lock us into something that isn't wanted by the other side of the table in the cabinet. Walk and be dammed for the sheep as well as the lamb.

Bear
I know, but that's the laziness and arrogance of both the new labour and Cameron governments, they weren't interested how it would effect us all.
LondonMum8
They are my views. I have family living Canada and New Zealand, Sweden Estonia. others in Brazil and Botswana. One of my MIL friends daughter lives and works in Nepal( survived the terrible earthquake).
Ds1 friendship circle includes 3 refugees, Namibia, Zimbabwe and South Africa. Plus friends from Hong Kong and most of eastern Europe, plus kids from Holderness.
Today I am rushing from work 20 miles north to watch Ds1 play a touring team from Liceo, Argentina play his under 18's RU colts.
Like Corcory, who carries where you come from as long as you can do the job you where employed to do and contribute to the prosperity of the county

mummmy I genuinely don’t understand you or any other leaver who persists with the notion that we can just walk away.

It cannot and will not happen. The country would go into meltdown.

Frumpet
I agree with both Faith and Bear, that a postponement is the worst of both worlds, sadly.
If we had a slightly competent government, who could turn up at meetings and say this what we as a country voted for and this is what we would like and are will to comprise on this and that, but not here, and the Eu, could then we agree to 85%, but we will both need 1/2 more years. then yes invoke Article 50's already written clause to extend the talks but at the moment I think certain MP's/Lords and pressure groups would use to permanently scupper the process.