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Looking forwards, not backward!

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No mummmy real life is taking responsibility for your actions and thinking a little more about how practical your choices are.

It is not clicking your fingers and sitting back whilst someone else delivers your hearts desire.

Point Blank..
Right now, tell me what are you action plans this afternoon, apart from sit on MN and Complain.

Tomorrow this event your planning is going to be world breaking news, and bring all your hearts desires to fruition,,,

Get real Bear your as useful as a chocolate tea pot in the EU UK planning .
You may not like it but this is Reality. Don't kid yourself about anything different. You can only watch this unfold just like everyone else.

Not running away, off to WORK.

It was the very democratic process that worried me, may times the UK had been overruled

Not many times at all - about 2% of votes didn’t go the way the UK wanted.

fullfact.org/europe/eu-facts-behind-claims-uk-influence/

I haven't voted for something that's unachievable given the circumstances.

It's the lack of responsibility for their choice and failure to acknowledge the problems that pisses me off the most about Leavers.

Mummy, yes we will be able to make trade deals (we can't at the moment as the EU is doing it for us), but they will take years, possibly decades, and they will be on far less good terms than the current ones we have through the aegis of the EU (which as a large, wealthy trading bloc can negotiate from a position of strength - something the UK alone will not be able to do). And note that Germany's largest trading partner is China, to the tune of $180 billion - they seem to be managing to trade perfectly well while in the EU. If we can't currently manage to trade very successfully with China, I don't see why we are suddenly going to start massively increasing that as a smaller nation. If David Davis and Liam Fox are the best negotiators we can come up with then we're well and truly fucked on that front!

"Things will level out" - Yes, things do tend to go splat when they hit the bottom!

And "ever greater union" does not mean that we were about to become the United States of Europe, it simply means that by combining and centralising things like arms procurement, we can get economies of scale - not to mention better bargains as a larger buyer.

"Not many times at all - about 2% of votes didn’t go the way the UK wanted."

And most of those actually did go the way the government wanted them to, they were only voting against them as a sop to the Daily Fail et al, and knew that their "no" vote wouldn't matter!

@mummmy2017
"For this reason I am willing to just wait and see what happens, as I know I really have no choice."

So now you've denied my kids the chance to live, work, and be educated for free in 27 other countries. But you know that already, don't you?

Taking away life chances from young people. Shameful.

@HelenOfTroysRuZ

I don't think she cares. Or anyone else who supports this experiment in self harm.

It is not true that we cannot influence the outcome. If that were true then there would not have been a referendum in 2016.

There has been a movement to take the UK out of the EU ever since the first referendum and decision that the UK would join the then Common Market, and, of course, the existing CM member states agreed to our entry.

I see no reason why a similar movement cannot, indeed is, growing to overturn the consequences of the 2016 referendum. [I will put to one side the fact that the referendum was legally 'advisory' and we are only where we are as a result of a 'political' decision, and 'political' decisions can be changed by other 'political decisions.] To do that individual voices/views need to be aired/heard. MN is but one part of that movement.

*So now you've denied my kids the chance to live, work, and be educated for free in 27 other countries. But you know that already, don't you?

Taking away life chances from young people. Shameful.*

Statements like these are a bit overly dramatic.

Your kids will not be denied the chance to live or work in the Eu post Brexit - it may not be as easy as it is now, but it won't be 'denied' to them.

Wrt 'educated for free' - again, that's another misnomer; some Eu countries provide free tuition for higher education, many do not. Your kids will not be denied the opportunity to study in the Eu though, they will just have to pay the non-Eu costs.

In the EU a range of options many free.
If Brexit occurs limited potentially very costly choices.

Yep that's a fair swap.

@Moussemoose

In addition to "imiagrunt" restrictions. No longer a right but our kids will need to apply for the right to study under visas.

This is a good thread, overwhelmingly pro-remain if you adjust for mummy2017's hyperactivity..

@FaithHopeCharityDesperation

By denied, we mean it will be severely difficult. The fact that something is theoretically possible doesn't change the fact that most people will be denied the opportunity. As a pretty close analogy: try getting a work visa to the US - impossible for most people.

Anyway, most pro-Leave voters have fallen victim to blatantly lying Leave politicians, who correctly assumed they can say whatever they want and a large proportion of the population won't have the capacity to critically scrutinise their statements. I guess FaithHopeCharityDesperation was hoping she would get away with the same trick on MN :)

By denied, we mean it will be severely difficult.

Which are two entirely different concepts.
It really is time to move on from the theatrics tbh.

@FaithHopeCharityDesperation

Theatrics that adversely impact people's lives. Job losses. Barriers to study. Increased cost of living. Who the f knows what else.

And you think of yourself as intellectually robust? Morally bankrupt more like it.

I'm not morally bankrupt Olivia.

Why do you think I am?

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This is a good thread, overwhelmingly pro-remain if you adjust for mummy2017's hyperactivity.
overwhelmingly pro-remain you say, on MN? Well I never

What a cheeky chappie

This is a good thread, overwhelmingly pro-remain Or maybe people don't want to keep on going around in circles arguing with other posters on MN.

Because you trivialised issues faced by others in favour of a jingoistic initiative.

There is no morality in allowing people to suffer in order to achieve cultish objectives with obvious materially adverse economic consequences.

I call that moral bankruptcy. Nigel Fromage is your cult leader. You would drink his KoolAid.

Is this the same Faith who claims she's not goady?

Yes, that would be her

Is this the same Faith who claims she's not goady?
Yes, that would be her

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Nigel Fromage is your cult leader. You would drink his KoolAid.

Is that a euphemism?!

I would never 'drink his KoolAid' - he's not my type!