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Thought I'd dust off the optics & open the bar for the festive period

If any of the the old crowd are still around, then do pop in for a Christmas catch up & join me in toasting the end of the beginning!

Onward! To Brexit!

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Ghost it was the Labour Party who started charging for the NHS in 1951. Even further back at the outset they bowed to pressure from doctors to keep a quasi private model for GP services. It was Labour who introduced PFI and decentralisation under Blair.

The mantra of the small state has been omni present since 1979. The Tories are ideologically hell bent on dismantling the welfare state. Austerity is the trojan horse in which this is achieved.

Also, wrt Thatcher, the number of council houses built under her tenure was huge - hundreds of thousands a year.

Thatcher's mantra was the home owning democracy. The seeds were sown. Housing was no longer shelter it was a commodity. That is why we have such inequality in housing today.

The overly large state that is Corbyn's ideology is worse imo.

And New Labour did a sterling job of their work in controlling the working class masses by forcing them into supplication with ill thought out welfare policies.

The “big state” seemed to work well for boomers.

Did it?

It wasn't the shift from big under Labour to small under Thatcher that was a massive factor then?

The rot set in during the 80s. The legacy is unaffordable housing, privatised industry, tuition fees, boom and bust economics etc. Funny how a brexit thread has switched to domestic problems. Leavers have been barking up the wrong tree.

It was Labour who introduced tuition fees.

When Thatcher introduced council house sales it was in the wake of the rampant inflation (rent, wages, house prices, everything) of the 70s. My DPs were paying a fraction of the amount in mortgage my DGPs were paying in rent on their council house. They could have bought her house several times over in rent.

It's not a 'Brexit thread' though.
It's a general thread within the eu topic.

Regardless, the rot for the working classes really got going under Blair.

Champagne socialists despise the working classes & take them for granted - the hard left use them as pawns to further their own ends.

It’s a brexit thread clues in the title. Blairism was neo liberalism.

I look forward to brexit championed by the likes of Farage and Rees-mogg “saving” the working classes, i really do. Play the piano.

The working classes don't need or want 'saving'.

Typical do-gooder attitude.

Why do you think we need 'saving'?

Wasn’t that the point of Brexit? A voice for the forgotten? How a low wage tax haven helps I’ll never know.

Happy to be a do gooder

I'm confused as to your point.
The point of Brexit was to leave the EU.

'A voice for the forgotten'?
I think they used their voice quite effectively tbh - it certainly took the chattering classes by surprise.

The point is, as it always was, that Britain’s problems are home grown not caused by the EU.

I wanted to read this thread because I'm curious about how leavers think but they keep being interrupted and barged in on!

They aren’t been barged on. If you want examples of barged on try the right wing gutter press.

Well I think if someone opens a virtual pub there should be an etiquette of leaving them to it, like we would, say, an evangelical Christian thread.

Well brexit is certainly a cult.

The Brexit Arms is open to all, not just Brexiteers. Everyone is welcome here.
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As you were then.

I'm off, I don't want to heckle in your pub even if you don't mind!

Lovely, open borders

ringle makes a very good point

Oh what joy to see you the oldest boozer open. Walks in, warms hands by the fire.

I've been driven in here after the sheer frustration seeing dianne abbot on Andrew Marr, her evasive slipperyness and sheer arrogance.

Andrew kept saying, you could be home secretary... What a shocking frightening thought. They showed clip from questions times of a man clearly upset stressing... We don't want the single market, because we don't want that level of immigration again.
She totally gas lighted the man in the clip and said he was one man with one view.

Faith the far left always has used them,the working classes for their own ends.. The useful idiots.

I'm still interested if there are any leavers who didn't vote tories or ukip in the last 2 elections. And who wouldn't vote for them in the next one. I've heard of lexiters but don't know any personally and haven't seen them in mumsnet. I'd like to think brexit wasn't purely a right wing project.

Loads of labour voter have come out as leavers on here. I have voted Labour more than any other party in my life and many rabid left wingers in my own family voted for brexit. I mean Labour voters who are not tribal and would never ever vote any other way, voted brexit.

I have read the thread now Faith, excellent, excellent posts I agree with every single word.

Goingin Frank field has labour left well represented, a man I would vote for pm tomorrow and who I belive truly cares for the poor, sadly some so called champions of the poor have said he is a fascist on here