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Thought I'd dust off the optics & open the bar for the festive period

If any of the the old crowd are still around, then do pop in for a Christmas catch up & join me in toasting the end of the beginning!

Onward! To Brexit!

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You do realise, mummy, that driverless cars are being tested and that unpiloted planes are likely to follow, that there's a thing you can buy that will indeed hoover your floor without you even touching it.
As for your takeaway example... If the economy crashes, how many people do you think will be buying takeaways? Don't forget, your favourite takeaway is probably crammed full of imported ingredients...

Mummy, you're a rabid nationalist (that's what you're objecting to about the EU!), and your arguments all fail however you keep trying to repeat them.

The people leaving the country, will all be the young, fit, and able ones. This will leave a considerably lower tax take to pay for the elderly, the NHS, etc.

You really don't think these things through, do you...

We are already in the WTO , everyone is.

We can trade, the bloke in charge has said that many times.

So the mortgage lenders can't lend money. oh hang on, that's their profit and jobs on the line here. Maybe they will be the ones who lobby to have zero hour contracts changed,

Or maybe the government wil have to invest in building, job creation to house families.

Nurses, do 1 year at uni before they move on to training on a ward, so you have no nurses, it becomes a job that has to pay more to attract staff, or you change which bit of the job can be done by others and so you can employ people, these would be the people who are going to need jobs because they are unemployed.

Wasn't it in Ireland that money was pumped into increase manufacturing? with no EU bill I am sure we could help some sectors that declined in the the EU years to grow again.

Anyway looks like Brexit Arms is coming to a close.

Goodbye Brexit Arms.

Goodbye EU.

So long Drama Llamas.

with no EU bill I am sure we could help some sectors that declined in the the EU years to grow again.
But I thought the money we spent on the EU bill was going to be given to the NHS/replace research funding in universities/be given to regions like Wales and Cornwall/? Looks like that money 'could' be spent in many ways - it's going to be spread pretty thinly by the looks of things.

Cardinalsin where ever there is a vacuum something happens to fill it.

I prefer to be called a realist.

But name me what you will, it doesn't mean I am wrong, it means we hold very different views on things.

So we become a country of OAP's, do you really think everyone is going to run away from the UK who is under 30. Just how rich do you think these people are... Most are struggling to get along.
So then it's the brains will leave, doesn't this then leave jobs for the not so gifted to thrive and grown, the bloke who can do the job, but can't prove it as he has no exam results, who suddenly gets a chance to come from the bottom of the pile and prove his worth..
For every force there is an equal and oppersite force.

Bloody lot of money to start with...

Inkanta it gets me that it's like the UK is nothing, that it would be black hole of hopelessness where nothing could grow, where there would be no trade, no food, no money.

Hell yes it would be bad, but it's been bad before, much much worse than this, and yet always we turn around pull up our socks and in time it improves, compared to the people in the camps with just a tent and a set of clothing this is a world beyond their wildest dreams.

Inkanta it gets me that it's like the UK is nothing, that it would be black hole of hopelessness where nothing could grow, where there would be no trade, no food, no money.
Nobody has said that.

Yes I agree mummy. Sometimes in life we have to start from scratch and do whatever needs to be done to live and autonomous life. The hard work will be worth it.

And mummy you have been the voice of common sense and reason on here. Brave, kind and always polite.

No Mummy, WTO is no straight forward.

But I know you ignore facts that don't correspond with your pre-determined position, so you'll probably answer some question about unicorns instead...

"Sometimes in life we have to start from scratch"

Jesus wept, talk about not living in the real world...

Anyway looks like Brexit Arms is coming to a close.*

Goodbye Brexit Arms.

Goodbye EU.

So long Drama Llamas.*

I will start another Arms thread 🇬🇧
As always, it will be open to all regardless of affiliation.

Mummy you are the one catastrophising the UK's future.

We are not in the WTO other than as a country within the EU. We would need to apply as a stand alone state - that's sovereignty.

We already trade with countries around the world. Increasing that trade is something we can and are doing now, as members of the EU with the benefit of the EU trading agreements soon to add Japan to the dozens already in place.

I've no doubt that the UK will continue post a deemed Brexit. Just that your bleak description of a country where
you have no nurses,
you amend the content of a nursing job so that it can be done by others who will need a job because they are unemployed,
the brains will leave but that will give others a chance to come from the bottom - no disrespect to anyone who didn't get academic qualifications but they will not just step in to skilled roles,
the money we pay to participate in the EU single market will instead be spent on
manufacturing,
sectors in decline over the last 40 years,
building,
job creation,
as well as the NHS (as per side of the bus),
Deprived areas of the UK eg Wales, Cornwall
Fishing,
Agriculture
I'm sure there are more.
Except we pay a tiny % of our GDP to the EU budget and reallocating that amount is not going to make a significant difference to any one of the areas you have listed let alone all of them.

I applaud your determination to hold to your view of the future and wish for your's, mine and the country's sake that the situation were other than it is. I am sorry that you are likely to be disappointed, as am I.

But we don’t have to start from scratch.
I have had to start from scratch before when I had a total breakdown and lost everything. It was bloody hard and I would have much preferred not to have to do it.
This is completely self inflicted. We don’t have to leave.
I am trying to understand where leavers are coming from but really am losing patience now. I am still waiting for someone to tell me what is so terrible about being in the EU that makes it worth this catastrophic act of self harm.

As someone said here, we do not seem to be able to explain to you to your satisfaction why we felt the need to leave, and maybe you should search out the answers somewhere else from a more professional body than us poor MN'ers who have tried to explain many time.
Or start at post 1 and work your way back through and repeat until something one of us has written sinks in,

But mummmy Remainers’ posts are generally full of facts whereas nearly all Leavers’ posts seem to be based on feelings and intuition. Can you please try to explain to me how your life is made so terrible by us being in the EU? I genuinely want to understand.

Ever greater union.
I think this may have been classed as the biggest big bear in the whole pile..

We wanted to trade not join the united states of Europe..

I have always assumed many voted leave because their view of the EU was negative, for whatever reason, and rid of the EU the future would be better for the UK. If the future is not better it will be too late. And of course one leaver's 'better' may look very different to another's and different again to someone who voted to remain in the EU.

Mummy leaving aside that you think it will be better, even with 'no deal', to leave the EU can you also now agree that it is not a simple, straightforward passage to Brexit based on the many issues to be resolved - we can't wish them away.
With every issue/challenge that must be met to achieve the Brexit you envision, it is possible that that Brexit may turn in to a fool's errand.

People thought this was a one and only chance to leave, much like the Scottish Vote...

So we thought with out hears voted and hoped...

Probably not what you wanted to hear, but it may well be what it came down to in the end.