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Thought I'd dust off the optics & open the bar for the festive period

If any of the the old crowd are still around, then do pop in for a Christmas catch up & join me in toasting the end of the beginning!

Onward! To Brexit!

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I hope the EU screw us over for evermore & we’re never allowed to vote for anything ever again.

You sound like a child. A bitter child. You won remember? Suck it up.

Let the liberal elite boss us around and keep the working classes ( the people they hate ) down where they belong.

Brexit was support by Jacob Rees-Mogg, Nigel Farage, Aaron Banks, James Dyson, Tim Wetherspoon, Murdoch, Dacre, the Barclay Brothers. Real champions of the working class I'm sure. You have already been told this of course Surfer. Try reading Orwell. You've been played. Like a grand piano.

Remainers hate poor people, uneducated people, & old people.

In one of the previous Brexit Arms threads the regular leavers admitted to being relatively well off. I'm a working class remainer myself so your sweeping generalisation is utter bollocks.

I hope one day there’s a proper revolution.

Using Russian artillery?

Don't be baffled, I did & do agree heartily with her.

There are numerous sneery, supercilious, arrogant remain supporters on MN & irl.

My point was simply that I don't tar all remainers with the same brush as I am able to accept that they are all individuals with many different motivations & attitudes, not the Borg.
A courtesy that is seldom extended to Leavers on these threads.

I think Brexit will probably still happen. I hope that the Brexit we get will be one that minimises damage to the economy and keeps the peace in NI.

This is not what the ultra-Brexiteers in Westminster want, so I hope current processes in terms of the Repeal bill will put them in their place.

Unlike Theresa May, I really do want a country that works for everyone. I know quite a few Brexit voters. They are thoroughly decent people. We agree on many things.

The whole situation just makes me sad.

Faith, if that was to me, I'm genuinely baffled! I haven't a clue what point she's trying to make! Can you enlighten me?

so your sweeping generalisation is utter bollocks

All/any sweeping generalisations are utter bollocks, it cuts both ways.

You've been played. Like a grand piano.

In my opinion it remains to be seen who has been played like a grand piano. Eg. George Osborne s emergency budget, huge losses in banking jobs, EU nationals fleeing the NHS, Mark Carney etc and not forgetting the Russians (which of course is easy they are always the bogeymen for everything and people buy into it and to date it remains unproven that it led to Brexit)

Only time will tell on that one.

In the meantime the media are having a field day and playing us all.

GhostofFrankGrimes
And all ‘remain’ MP’s / backers are working class, uneducated, salt of the earth types right?
ALL MP’s are rich & privileged! - do you want me to list all the millionaire remainers?

ALL MP’s are rich & privileged! - do you want me to list all the millionaire remainers?

Remainers aren't chatting nonsense about revolutions. They'd just prefer not to damage the economy and make the poor even poorer with Brexxit.

Oh I see, so all remainers are thinking of the poor and what effect Brexit wil have on them? No remainer is thinking of protecting their own millions?
Thanks for putting me right on that one.

Timefor

Turkey joining the EU? No sign.
Brexit domino effect? No sign.
EU Army? Not yet.

350 million for NHS? Not happening
Sovereignty regained? Never lost, Brexit white paper stated as much.
More jobs for Brits? Nope.

Unintended consequences?

Inflation up
£ down
Hate crimes up
Skills shortages in certain sectors - yes
food prices up
Businesses making contingency plans - yes
job losses - yes
capital of culture status gone
death threats to remain campaigners

Brexit is strange sort of winning.

No remainer is thinking of protecting their own millions?

I'm thinking the majority of the 48% aren't millionaires.

Brexit is strange sort of winning.

I must have missed the memo informing us that Brexit has happened.

I'm thinking the majority of the 52% aren't either.

I'd wager that there are more millionaires in the 48% than in the 52% though.

I must have missed the memo informing us that Brexit has happened.

Unicorns for every household on 1/4/19. Otherwise Brexit appears to be utterly shit, unless the Brexit Arms patrons can convince me otherwise.

oh yes sorry. I did see Tony Blair in Poundland yesterday.

I'd wager that there are more millionaires in the 48% than in the 52% though.

The people behind the leave campaign were wealthy. The talk then was of a very pleasing Norway style deal. After the referendum the wealthy demanded the hardest of hard Brexits. Smell a rat? You should.

One wealthy man triggered the referendum. He happened to be a remainer.

oh yes sorry. I did see Tony Blair in Poundland yesterday.

Is a campaign or movement only "legitimate" if only poor people participate? Another vacuous comment there Surfs.

There was plenty of wealth thrown behind the Remain campaign too, as well as the full weight of the government machine.

And yet they still failed to make a case for remaining that was convincing enough.

The irony is that Brexit probably wouldn't be happening if a succession of arch Europhiles hadn't fucked up spectacularly over the decades.

Major didn't have a Ref for Maastricht despite pressure to do so, ditto Gordon Brown for Lisbon.
Typhoid Tony is, as ever, in a class of his own: signing us up to bigger contributions with no conditions attached, and actively chose not to manage the migration from the new members sensibly (entirely within his gift to do).
Then hand-wringing drip 'call-me-Dave' went off dick swinging & came back with fuck all & a flea in his ear, presided over the most arrogant of campaigns & ran away when he lost.

A succession of spineless drips who have taken the electorate for granted.

Brexit happened in part because people believed the press telling them that British problems were caused by the EU. 40 years of anti EU rhetoric.

Any concerns raised during the referendum were derided as project fear. The fear that is actually coming true.

No. Brexit happened because we were in a political union that no one under about 60, had ever voted for.

& you really have to stop confusing the here & now with the future.
Brexit is a bit up in the air at the moment ( completely understandable) but no one knows how things will be in 20 years time.

Wonderful we’ll go through 20 years of shit and write off an entire generation in the vague hope that things might get better. Inspired.

Have you ever heard of WW2?
Are you aware of any periods in history where people have been through years of turmoil for the greater good?
Do you actually know anything at all?

WW2 was a fight against fascism, a populist German leader and the rise of nationalism. Sadly this type of thing seems to be on the rise again.

Brexit is self inflicted hardship, social and economic regression.

^Let the liberal elite boss us around and keep the working classes ( the people they hate ) down where they belong.
Remainers hate poor people, uneducated people, & old people.^

Ugh so sick of this narrative. The people I know who voted leave are the richest and poshest.

Remainers hate poor people, uneducated people, & old people ???

Bizarre. Let's look at these three groups of people and then gaze closely into the eyes of the leaders of the Leave cabal coup. Take those at the heart of the power grab,May, Davis, Fox, Gove, Johnson, Rees Mogg, Redwood, Leadsome.

Do they really seem a kind, compassionate team with an agenda to prioritise the interests of the weak and vulnerable in society? Really? Really?

Poor people-universal credit, cuts to (the hard to obtain) disability employment and support allowance to ' incentivise' the disabled and sometimes dying into work.

Uneducated people- actually here I do think the leave leaders love the uneducated.They certainly want to increase the numbers in society. The reality of budget cuts in schools means teachers who leave are not being replaced.Support staff are being made redundant and extra curricular provision slashed. One head teacher I spoke to, already with a £200,000 deficit said the only other thing he can do is teach three classes together in the hall with one teacher.The government's own research shows an average funding shortfall of over £400,000 per school by 2019.

Old people- Dementia tax and social care funding.

Hmmmm now let's have a rethink about which elite may be happy to keep the working classes down.