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Thought I'd dust off the optics & open the bar for the festive period

If any of the the old crowd are still around, then do pop in for a Christmas catch up & join me in toasting the end of the beginning!

Onward! To Brexit!

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@GhostofFrankGrimes

Blue passports. Leavers will at least get those.

Hi !

Remainers think Brexit ain’t happening now.

Bless em. They cling onto every bit of bad news with their insipid little fingers.

#March2019 ......Date for your diary remainers

Surfer, I need an Eddie Stobart lorry to carry all the bad brexit news.

I don't believe Remainers think it's not happening, it's that it's even more of a fuck up than even we ever imagined it would be.

Seriously, what are we achieving here?

We've had to agree to 'regulatory alignment' already so we are going to have to abide by EU rules with no say in them- not exactly 'taking back control' is it?

surferjet

It’s not that Brexit isn’t happening. It’s that parliament will have a vote on the final deal. Is this is not a good thing for leave voters? Taking back control and sovereignty?

To be fair to Dominic Grieve, I actually believe that his intentions came from an honest place (Soubry as well).

However, the whole remainer schtick of 'but sovereignty! Is that not what you wanted?!' (With obligatory, accompanying faux quizzical head-tilt) is the height of disingenuous bollocks.

Lord Adonis being a case in point - for him it's not about the process, it's all about securing a mechanism by which to subvert Brexit & overturn it.
That's not democracy, that's sneery arrogance.

Nope, hard brexiteers want to steam roll Brexit through parliament without discussion beyond the vacuous “will of the people” bollocks. Leaving the EU, the biggest political issue since WW2 requires full parliamentary scrutiny. That is true democracy. That is what was voted for last night by our elected representatives. The hard brexiteers want their low wage tax haven. Nobody voted for that and the hard brexiteers won’t get it.

The 'sneery arrogance' is coming from TM and DD with their steadfast opinion that we can have exactly what we want because we're so special.

They have done no work on what the repercussions of Brexit might be because of their arrogant assumption we'll be allowed to carry on pretty much as we did before, just without the bits we didn't like.

I'm not disagreeing that last night was a representation of sovereignty & the power of parliament - I'm completely happy with that.

What pisses me off is the people who are using something good (sovereignty, control & parliament/govt being bigger than one person etc), and twisting it to suit their own ends: "yay! Finally some hope that we can cancel Brexit & completely disregard the opinion of the majority of the voting electorate" etc.

Nobody is trying to cancel Brexit.

Apart from the people who are trying to cancel Brexit.

Adonis:
First step towards defeat of Brexit. And this is before the Lords has got going on the National Betrayal Bill.

Well, I am (not that I have an awful lot of power in that regard).

I'm just hopeful that more MPs can grow a pair and stand up for the interests of the country (not the Conservative party), even if the country has said it doesn't want that.

I respect your honesty cardinal.

Too many people are being disingenuous about how they wish to use last night's decision.

I have no problem with honesty, I do have a problem with those who are clearly using it to subvert but pretend it's all about sovereignty & nothing more.

Nobody is trying to cancel Brexit

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You know what, I hope it is cancelled now.
I hope the EU screw us over for evermore & we’re never allowed to vote for anything ever again.
Let the liberal elite boss us around and keep the working classes ( the people they hate ) down where they belong.
Remainers hate poor people, uneducated people, & old people.

That’s what this referendum has shown us.

I hope one day there’s a proper revolution.

*Remainers hate poor people, uneducated people, & old people.

That’s what this referendum has shown us.*

Yep.
Very clear about this, too.

Keep the proles in their place. God forbid they should think they actually matter.

The lower classes are only useful when there's some ostentatious virtue signalling to be done.

Remainers hate poor people, uneducated people, & old people.

Talking as an old, poor person and a paid-up member of the lower classes, I can safely say you're talking out of your arse, Surfer. How on earth do you think the old, poor and uneducated will fare in post-Brexit Britain? I would love to see some evidence for how their lives will improve, given that I'm one of them. Actually, maybe being educated disqualifies me and turns me into a privileged elite, even though I didn't start my degree until I was in my late 40s. I was definitely a 'prole' before that, though, and have the bank balance to prove it. Actually my bank account still puts me in 'prole' category.

Are people really still trying to make out that Brexit is to do with class when we've all seen, with our very own eyes, who its privately-educated/ offshore bank account-holding/tax avoiding mouthpieces are? (Johnson, Gove, Farage, Dacre, Desmond etc...)

Twofingers, Do you view Leave voters with disdain & as a homogeneous mass, decrying 'them' as any or all of the following:

thick, ignorant, stupid, racist, uneducated, lower socioeconomic status than you, too old to be affected, selfish, 'hopefully will die soon anyway', gullible fools, and therefore opinion not equal in value to yours due to the aforementioned attributes.

If not, then I'm pretty sure that surfer's comment wasn't aimed at, or about you.

Personally, I am sympathetic to the remainers cause, I may even agree with them on some points re Brexit; I also think that the relatively silent majority across both 'sides' are reasonable & all want the best outcome.
It's the extreme factions (on both sides) that piss me off, and those are the people I hold in contempt.

I make no bones about the fact that I think Brexit should be taken out and shot stopped, but that also doesn't stop me finding it amusing that many people who were constantly shouting "sovereignty" when asked why they wanted to leave are now complaining when our sovereign government puts a spanner in the works of TMs power grab.

Also, I would suggest it's actually the leavers who don't give a monkey's about the poor and vulnerable, as it is those same poor and vulnerable who are going to suffer the most as a result of a hard Brexit. That suggests to me that it's actually the Remainers who care about them.

Indeed, it was our very own Surferjet who, when asked what could be done to stop the troubles returning to Northern Ireland, gave the very caring comment "Not my circus, not my monkeys".

Surfer didn't mention those qualifiers - and nor did you until the statement was challenged.

Of course it's a silly and untrue statement to make.

Qualifiers?

Didn't see a link to analysis of most recent Ipsos Mori research regarding Brexit voter profiles published October in the Financial Times, so here you go:

www.ft.com/content/61c12868-b350-11e7-a398-73d59db9e399

The truth is incontrovertible.
Panic may resent it,
ignorance may deride it,
malice may distort it,
but there it is.

Twofingers, Do you view Leave voters with disdain & as a homogeneous mass

No. Should I?

If not, then I'm pretty sure that surfer's comment wasn't aimed at, or about you.
Surfer's comment was aimed at 'remainers'. I am a remain supporter. Therefore it was aimed at me, amongst others.
I find your post slightly baffling, given how heartily you were agreeing with surfer at 13.39.

Anyone know what on earth Tugtupite is trying to say?