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Thought I'd dust off the optics & open the bar for the festive period

If any of the the old crowd are still around, then do pop in for a Christmas catch up & join me in toasting the end of the beginning!

Onward! To Brexit!

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It's just my thought mousse but I agree, it's looking depressingly realistic.

A general heads of terms can be agreed by a majority, but a detailed trade agreement needs to be unanimous.

There is no way anything more than heads of terms could be agreed in the Article 50 timeframe though.

So Brexit it name only.

But we can have special postage stamps and an Independence Day holiday to keep Brexiteers happy.

And flags, and blue passports (which we could have had anyway)

Can’t understand the flag thing - the union flag won’t alter unless Scotland GTFs?

I just meant celebratory flags to wave to show we've left- any pattern allowed!

Quote from Macron today

If you want access to the single market - including the financial services - be my guest. But it means that you need to contribute to the budget and acknowledge European jurisdiction.

Do you think he's been reading my posts?!

If,,,, that little word...

Something that might happen...

If I buy a lottery ticket I could win the lottery.

Meanwhile TM is still reeling off the same meaningless bollocks

I believe it is in the interest of both the UK and EU to continue to have a good economic partnership with the UK....we will obviously be entering the negotiations... we will be looking for a deep and special partnership for the future.

'Deep and special' makes my teeth itch every time I hear it.

FFS mummmy

There's no 'if' about it.

We need access to the SM.

Not even TM has said that we don't need that access. She wants it to carry on as it is.

Didn't you also post on here that there was no way we could vote leave.
That happened...

I'd love you to find that post mummmy

I'm pretty sure I never said that. It was always an unknown because it was a public vote.

Totally different to what I'm saying now because my assertion that we'll remain in all but name is based on the facts of the situation.

Those facts can't change at the whim of the public.

You can’t compare wanting access to the SM to a buying lottery ticket.

You can buy access to the SM with absolute certainty. You can’t buy a winning lottery ticket with absolute certainty.

I do kind of admire mummmys tenacity in continuing to argue her point here but it is fairly horrifying that her simplistic, naive thoughts and analogies are the voice of Leave round here.

It doesn't do much to convince anyone the outcome will be worth it.

What won't happen, is us crashing out with no deal in March 2019. There will be the "transition" period, or an extension, or whatever, where will will be in exactly the same situation as before, only without any input into it. There may be some meaningless things that we're no longer subject to, but most will be the same.

JRM and most of the other rabid Brexiteers are desperately hoping that we won't as a result be subject to the new EU Tax Avoidance rules that, oh! what a coincidence, come in to force 3 days after "Brexit Day". Obviously, I'm hoping that we the EU will make sure that we will still be subject to those laws, so that the likes of JRM and TM's husband will not be able to hide their billions offshore, as that may go some way to helping bolster the nations rapidy depleting coffers!

Got to love how the EU are hammering Apple over unfair tax deals. A force for good in the world, unlike the scumbags running the Brexit scam and their supporters (hi Vlad).

Wouldn't a free trade agreement work for goods to and from NI and Ireland.
Then we just need to sort out pass porting !!!

No double because, without a border it would have to be basically the same as SM/CU which invokes WTO favoured nation issues because our deal would be better than that of other countries.

But what is the situation with one EU country to another? aren't they trading as favoured nations? Also what about the countries that have free trade deals?

I'm not sure have the stomach for this.

The EU is a trading bloc, that's why they can move goods, services, people and capital freely. It's rather the point of it.

There are no free trade trade agreements which are even close to the SM/CU.

They don't cover financial services and a lot of agriculture.

Is this really all news to you?

@Doubletrouble99

An analogy

A free trade agreement like between Canada and the EU28 countries is like the two agreeing to a process to build a bridge over a river. And shipping goods via ferry as they figure out what the first version of the bridge looks like. People check what gets offloaded on the ferry on both sides. But building the bridge could take decades. And it could be very small.

The SM/CU is like a bridge with a big motorway on it where cars and trucks and buses freely move over it. Big volumes. No checks.

And Brexit without SM/CU is like blowing up the bridge with the motorway and reverting to a ferry.

If it's WTO the ferry is v small. If it's an FTA the ferry is a bit bigger.

I don't think we could ever have a trade deal as good as the SM but I don't quite get why a good trade deal isn't allowed! I don't really understand what favoured nation is all about when loads of countries have free trade deals.

Let me guess double- you voted Leave?

Any trade deal imposes a border with checks and requirements to satisfy standards.

This means we must have one in NI which is in breach of the Good Friday Agreement and endangers peace in Ireland. It also goes against a commitment we made to the EU Not to have a border.

Further, the introduction of a border causes severe disruptions in the flow of goods. Food that used to flow through unimpeded now has to go through a process of verification.

We import 40 percent of our food. We also export a lot of meat to the EU.

This is just two of the problems of having a border. There are many others.